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  • BilboBaggins [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    OK here we go...

    In the 60s and 70s, LotR was way more closely associated with hippies than anything on the right. When I was a kid in the 80s and 90s, religious right wingers would lump it in with the satanic panic (I wasn't allowed to read it). All this fashy love for LotR is after the movies came out, and I don't think it's a coincidence.

    I bet you dollars to donuts the fash who like LotR don't even read the books. The movies - in particular the last 2 - overly emphasize the "WE MUST DEFEND THE WEST FROM THE EVIL HORDES" aspect. I'm not saying that's not there in the books but the movies over-emphasize it quite a bit. I actually rewatched the trilogy for the first time in a decade recently and was surprised how uncomfortable the last 2 movies made me. The movies do feel like they're coded with fash dogwhistles in a way the books are not. I would say the "vibe" of the first movie is more aligned with all 3 books way better than the last 2 movies are.

    I also thinks it's as simple as the story is very "European" and so the "RETVRN TO TRADITION" crowd loves it just for that aspect alone, especially the movies.

    But also as Ulysses said, I think there are aspects of the story like the elves that I don't think Tolkien had any ill intent, but is definitely easy for fascists to dovetail into their own worldview.

    I understand this is a pretty weak defense but I think it's important to recognize before the movies came out the books had a very broad base of fans and the notion that it was the darling of the right (Meloni excluded I guess) isn't really accurate. At the same time I can acknowledge even the books have problematic aspects.

    I actually plan on re-reading the trilogy this winter for the first time as a leftist. I'm curious to see how I'll feel about it then.

    • keepcarrot [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Interesting

      In my experience (which is limited) with fantasy, fash generally don't like elves even if they are very ubermensh. Fash generally go for rugged "humanity fuck yeah" stubble heroes.

      • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        The elves are immortal, ancient and powerful, yes, but they are also on their way out. Their part in the story is done. They aren't as dynamic as humans, and their long lifespans tend to make them melancholic and fatalistic. The fash see themselves reflected more in the plucky upstart humans. Of all the things in Tolkien they probably see themselves as Numenoreans

        Even in most fantasy stuff derived from Tolkien elves are depicted as a diminished or even straight up fallen race who are depicted as haughty, arrogant or just racist towards everyone else

        • keepcarrot [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          I think part of it is because elves are seen as effeminate or gay.

          • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            The Hobbit movies leaned into this too

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVQtzBTV76Y

            I think this was supposed to be right after the scene where the Dwarves are grossed out by the Elves eating nothing but greens