I would never play a game that has this feature, and it seems that many people feel the same way. But when I say "many people," I really mean just people on niche internet forums. I really don't think the general population gives a shit at all otherwise all these popular games would already be history.
But it does make the case of VAC interesting. So many people including pro players are complaining about how Valve is basically useless when it comes to anti-cheat, and they're correct, primarily because they don't use kernel level detection. I recently watched this video that suggests Valve has some long term vision for their unintrusive software lol. I just can't believe it because e-celebs draw in views, money, interest, etc. and pissing them off as well as the players buying your shit seems counterintuitive. They gotta be cooking up something rightr?
It seems to me that the players who do want a stronger anti-cheat don't care whether or not the studio is watching them whereas those who are adverse to kernel-level anti-cheat will likely not complain about a game being full of cheaters much.
I'm curious if an open-source anti-cheat consortium would be successful, or if this is one of the few cases where security through obfuscation might be the only way to protect anti-cheat software.
Also found out that the high level CS league ESEA has kernel level anti cheat and was caught mining bitcoin lol.
Even under the best circumstances where the ring0 anti-cheat developer is not malicious - which I'm absolutely not convinced is always true, mind you - they can be exploited by bad actors to take control of your system via privilege escalation. This isn't even just a hypothetical, it's already happened with basically all that are commonly in use - EAC, GameGuard, BattlEye, XignCode3 all come to mind. It's just bad opsec to run games that use them. You could be doing everything else right with securing your machines and network, and it won't matter. It's leaving the back door open.
I'm curious if an open-source anti-cheat consortium would be successful, or if this is one of the few cases where security through obfuscation might be the only way to protect anti-cheat software.
I don't think it would be possible tbh. You are correct in that security through obscurity is the only way these client-side solutions work. There are some amateurish open source anti-cheat frameworks but with the source available everything is easily disabled or bypassed. The only true solution to cheating that isn't invasive is implementing robust server side checking and active human (or hell, even AI could be used for this...) monitoring of anomalous player activity.
Valve just needs to bring back unranked 5v5 like they had towards the end of csgo. The matches were generally clean because who'd risk the time and an account just to troll in a unranked mode, was good fun.
The most effective form of anticheat is generally community run servers moderated by the people who actually want to play the game properly. But yeah the majority of people don't care about invasive anticheat if it works, valorant is testament to this.
stop ranking competitive games and there won't be any reason to cheat beyond trolling individual matches, and therefore no need for anticheat
I don't think that's true. A lot of cheaters get their stats and accounts wiped and there is a huge market for subtle cheats that simply "assist" rather than going full aimbot. As long as someone stands to win and lose, someone will cheat.
Gulag literally everyone who plays competitive games, from CS to chess.
People have been cheating in online games for way longer than ranked matchmaking has existed.
that sure fucking works on all the people who cheat in unrakned modes
I went onto unranked TF2 yesterday and every other game was populated by bots playing offensive audio. They somehow corrupting the audio chat UI so I couldn't mute them either.
Anti-cheat is about optics first and raising the bar in what successful cheating looks like second. Even if you can technically still cheat in Valorant, if it's something like a Direct Memory Access controller to feed a second computer that actually has the cheat software, you've raised the bar high enough that the people that do it are either trying to make a point that they can cheat or a really small minority of people that buy it from those that know how to do it.
I mean, do you really think the GTAV script kiddies could pull off anything from the second half of this video?
Awesome video thanks for the share.
It's always been fascinating to me seeing how the never-ending cat and mouse game of game cheating has gone and some of the solutions presented here are incredibly inventive.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
The solution to cheating is leagues, not surveillance tech.
The cheating will continue until it stops provoking the response of prepubescent boys voices cracking as they attempt to scream curse words and slurs over the mic.
Once again, it's a case of:
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people attempting to solve a social/political problem with a technological solution
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g*mers being the reactionary gremlins they are and holding back progress
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I never understood the need for anti-cheat in games, just play offline if you don't want other people ruining your time.
Nah I'm weird I don't understand the appeal of the vast majority of multiplayer games.
G*mers would rather install proprietary software with kernel level access than just give up gaming and Windows lol
I could care less but I'm not into competitive gaming, and I also went through a very long phase of online gaming where I found figuring out packet editing/memory editing to be really fun and rewarding in its own way. Never really used what I learned to do anything other than goof off, which is a much different from people just paying for some kind of cheat software, but whenever Ive encountered explicit cheaters I either shrug and move on or, in the best case scenario, kind of laugh at whatever they're doing if it's more interesting than just ruining someone's match or whatever
I found YouTube links in your post. Here are links to the same videos on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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