• FourteenEyes [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Literally just jerk off

    No clue how this became such a big taboo in Abrahamic religion, you crank one out and get back to work, easy peasy

    • BatCountryMusicFan [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      No clue how this became such a big taboo in Abrahamic religion,

      Iirc it's about not "wasting" life essence.

      Genesis 38:9-10: But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.

      It's that Monty Python Every Sperm is Sacred song, but unironically

      • CantaloupeAss [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        One could presume that in an agrarian/pastoralist society in a semi-arid region, high birth rates were socially desirable to constantly add laboring hands to the fields and flocks

        • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          The social obligation to marry a deceased brothers widow is relatively universal in old cultures, Judaism not withstanding. It's one of the oldest patriarchal economic developments, to ensure that a widow is cared for. The child produced is almost always considered to be the blood of the dead brother. The modern reading of the Onan passage as against rubbing one out is incorrect. The christian war against jerking off is I think I relatively modern, reactionary invention.

          • CantaloupeAss [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            Very interesting, I never knew!

            Tell me more though about how the war against jerking it is reactionary

            :volcel-judge: :volcel-kamala:

          • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            John Kellogg invented it in 1933 to sell corn flakes to Nazis who wanted to preserve their vital essences or something like that.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Yup. And probably something about making sure the wife has kids to take care of her in her old age because otherwise she'd just starve to death or something.

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        it was pretty obviously the fact he was disrespecting the rights of his new wife that they held. tbh I consider that a weird right but the issue was the fact that he was treating her without the albeit deeply weird rights she was due by custom

        • NPa [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          And God said: Cum in your brother's wife or be put to death. No I'm not being weird, you're being weird.

          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            dead brother's wife if he was still alive it would be disrespectful

            the material conditions of the bronze age caused a society that to us is weird

            mainly I was correcting the idea that it's sinful to masturbate and pointing out that the sin there was disrespecting women (again in the weirdest possible way)

            • NPa [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              what if it is impossible to determine if one's brother is dead or alive, perhaps he is suspended in a chamber filled with a flammable gas that is either ignited or not based off the decay of an unstable isotope. I'm gonna need to see the relevant scripture fast, I'm about to bust and I don't want to go to Hell

              • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                then don't have sex with your brothers wife until you're sure he's dead

                and before you ask don't kill him

                • NPa [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  then don’t have sex with your brothers wife until you’re sure he’s dead

                  alright that should be easy

                  and before you ask don’t kill him

                  oh

                  oh no

      • NPa [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I mean the guy was literally named after the act of masturbation, a sort of ancient precursor to a Coomer, I think we can agree he was an edge-case. :putin-wink: :

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Nah, the Onan crime thing is about Levantine Marriage. Basically if your brother dies you're supposed to marry his wife and have kids, and legally those kids are your brothers kids so his bloodline keeps going. It's a really important cultural thing. Onan's crime as that he was banging his brother's wife without knocking her up, so he was basically committing a crime against his brother and his family that was really serious in the culture of the time. Had nothing to do with masturbating.

        Basicalyl Onan was being a shit because he didn't want to take on teh burden of raising his brothers kids. Seriously, has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with masturbating or pulling out or anything else.

    • MiraculousMM [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      On the Christian side, Paul and Augustine are largely responsible tbh. Dudes were so ashamed of their horniness that they (namely Augustine) wrote extensively about how it's ontologically evil to wanna eat ass all across town lmao

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Notably Augustine spent most of his adult life bouncing around sex cults before deciding that actually sex was bad and abandoning his mistress and illegitimate child to die on the street.

      • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        the Cumtown version of the Confessions of St. Augustine was better anyway