now this is some religious doctrine i can get behind :anarchista-chad:
Literally just jerk off
No clue how this became such a big taboo in Abrahamic religion, you crank one out and get back to work, easy peasy
No clue how this became such a big taboo in Abrahamic religion,
Iirc it's about not "wasting" life essence.
Genesis 38:9-10: But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.
It's that Monty Python Every Sperm is Sacred song, but unironically
One could presume that in an agrarian/pastoralist society in a semi-arid region, high birth rates were socially desirable to constantly add laboring hands to the fields and flocks
The social obligation to marry a deceased brothers widow is relatively universal in old cultures, Judaism not withstanding. It's one of the oldest patriarchal economic developments, to ensure that a widow is cared for. The child produced is almost always considered to be the blood of the dead brother. The modern reading of the Onan passage as against rubbing one out is incorrect. The christian war against jerking off is I think I relatively modern, reactionary invention.
Very interesting, I never knew!
Tell me more though about how the war against jerking it is reactionary
:volcel-judge: :volcel-kamala:
John Kellogg invented it in 1933 to sell corn flakes to Nazis who wanted to preserve their vital essences or something like that.
Yup. And probably something about making sure the wife has kids to take care of her in her old age because otherwise she'd just starve to death or something.
it was pretty obviously the fact he was disrespecting the rights of his new wife that they held. tbh I consider that a weird right but the issue was the fact that he was treating her without the albeit deeply weird rights she was due by custom
And God said: Cum in your brother's wife or be put to death. No I'm not being weird, you're being weird.
BE NOT AFRAID - I’m just here to watch.:angel-biblical::speech-l:
dead brother's wife if he was still alive it would be disrespectful
the material conditions of the bronze age caused a society that to us is weird
mainly I was correcting the idea that it's sinful to masturbate and pointing out that the sin there was disrespecting women (again in the weirdest possible way)
what if it is impossible to determine if one's brother is dead or alive, perhaps he is suspended in a chamber filled with a flammable gas that is either ignited or not based off the decay of an unstable isotope. I'm gonna need to see the relevant scripture fast, I'm about to bust and I don't want to go to Hell
then don't have sex with your brothers wife until you're sure he's dead
and before you ask don't kill him
then don’t have sex with your brothers wife until you’re sure he’s dead
alright that should be easy
and before you ask don’t kill him
oh
oh no
I mean the guy was literally named after the act of masturbation, a sort of ancient precursor to a Coomer, I think we can agree he was an edge-case. :putin-wink: :
Nah, the Onan crime thing is about Levantine Marriage. Basically if your brother dies you're supposed to marry his wife and have kids, and legally those kids are your brothers kids so his bloodline keeps going. It's a really important cultural thing. Onan's crime as that he was banging his brother's wife without knocking her up, so he was basically committing a crime against his brother and his family that was really serious in the culture of the time. Had nothing to do with masturbating.
Basicalyl Onan was being a shit because he didn't want to take on teh burden of raising his brothers kids. Seriously, has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with masturbating or pulling out or anything else.
On the Christian side, Paul and Augustine are largely responsible tbh. Dudes were so ashamed of their horniness that they (namely Augustine) wrote extensively about how it's ontologically evil to wanna eat ass all across town lmao
Notably Augustine spent most of his adult life bouncing around sex cults before deciding that actually sex was bad and abandoning his mistress and illegitimate child to die on the street.
the Cumtown version of the Confessions of St. Augustine was better anyway
laughing my ass off at how the annoying escalation tactics sex pests have still holds up even now.
“oh you said no to sex? what if you just got naked? no you won’t get naked? what if you just-”
:stalin-gun-1::meow-anarchist:
So does the Talmud contain discourse on every possible ethical conundrum?
What does it say about fudging the building code a little when you're renovating a basement?
What must a man do when his socks are getting worn? The sages say, darn them or be darned.
The Sages say Let it be so, only know one's limits and always Remember that all things leak
[Stares at inert pile of baseboard trim sitting in middle of garage, 8ft from the nearest plumbing, on a dry day]
[It begins leaking]
What in the goddamn
Yes.
Yes it does.
It's like 1800 years of Rabbis arguing with each other about every fucking thing you could imagine and a surprising number of things you never thought of. These guys have sat down and hashed out moral conundrums you would never dream up in your wildest imaginings.
I love the idea of being so horny that you die. Like, I had days when I was younger I could think of nothing but tits but I never fell ill from it.
The human body is weird. I can definitely believe a guy being laid up in bed for a week from anxiety or depression entirely because he was horny. I am extremely dubious of the theory that he would become better by getting to see the object of his fixation naked.
Once again, the wisdom of Islam is profound. :inshallah-script:
I’m pretty sure it’s more like depression that someone they are in love with doesn’t love them back.
https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.75a.2
Edit: im not very studied in talmud at all but this reads to me less of dude being an incel and more about laws on who you can and can't have sex with as laid out in the Torah.
Still funny though
