Our average fascists come in two varieties: A white 55 year old pool supply shop owner who is terribly overweight and likes to trigger the libs, the other type being a completely nuts teenager who has melted their brain on 4chan.
There aren't enough of these folks (even measuring these categories generously) to account for all the support Trump had. I'd say there are at least two additional sizeable groups:
~55-year-old white wage earners who see no prospects for the retirement they expected, and think attacking vulnerable groups is a way out. Probably some mix of believing Those People took their jobs and "even if I'm poor, I'll be poor and white."
Millenial-aged petite bourgeois (mostly PMC types) who are upwardly mobile, but are terrified that they'll end up like the above group. These are folks who have a retirement portfolio and think Democrats want to give it to the poor.
As for the prospects of winning any of these people over, the pool supply store guy is probably a lost cause, the teenager at least has a chance of growing and changing, the ~55-year-old white wage earner might be at least neutralized with material benefits like universal healthcare, and the millenials might come around if they fall out of the petite bourgeois or at least realize how precarious their situation is.
You're right in everything you said. I think I wasn't including all Trump voters and supporters as ideological fascists, but you'd probably correct in saying they're prone to becoming fascists. Most people vote for congress and president in ways that don't necessarily match what they want. Like my parents voted for Trump under the impression Trump wanted to implement universal healthcare and he wasn't serious about all the hatred of immigrants. Complete goofballs basically.
I haven't tried to sway people politically much in my life, but I have tried to organize unions. The conservatives there are quickly won over by material interests, and if they aren't, they're easily told to shut up and shamed into going along with the group. That's been how I've won them over, massive social pressure backed up by numbers
That's just a different way to say "they passively skim off the surplus value of other people's labor".
You can't have everyone building up savings in a monetary system, nor can everyone have capital gains. One person's capital gains are another person's lost value, and if you try to stretch how many people fit into the creditor category, you get inflation and just end up diluting the whole thing.
For both ideological and material reasons, this group is heavily invested in capitalism, and you'd need to break down both of these reasons to win them over.
You can’t have everyone building up savings in a monetary system, nor can everyone have capital gains. One person’s capital gains are another person’s lost value
:big-bill: Every dollar someone earns without working, is a dollar someone worked for and didn't get
More than just that, all currencies (and most money-commodities) derive their utility directly from their scarcity. If they become less scarce, all of a sudden you can't trade in them quite as well.
There aren't enough of these folks (even measuring these categories generously) to account for all the support Trump had. I'd say there are at least two additional sizeable groups:
As for the prospects of winning any of these people over, the pool supply store guy is probably a lost cause, the teenager at least has a chance of growing and changing, the ~55-year-old white wage earner might be at least neutralized with material benefits like universal healthcare, and the millenials might come around if they fall out of the petite bourgeois or at least realize how precarious their situation is.
You're right in everything you said. I think I wasn't including all Trump voters and supporters as ideological fascists, but you'd probably correct in saying they're prone to becoming fascists. Most people vote for congress and president in ways that don't necessarily match what they want. Like my parents voted for Trump under the impression Trump wanted to implement universal healthcare and he wasn't serious about all the hatred of immigrants. Complete goofballs basically.
I haven't tried to sway people politically much in my life, but I have tried to organize unions. The conservatives there are quickly won over by material interests, and if they aren't, they're easily told to shut up and shamed into going along with the group. That's been how I've won them over, massive social pressure backed up by numbers
That's just a different way to say "they passively skim off the surplus value of other people's labor".
You can't have everyone building up savings in a monetary system, nor can everyone have capital gains. One person's capital gains are another person's lost value, and if you try to stretch how many people fit into the creditor category, you get inflation and just end up diluting the whole thing.
For both ideological and material reasons, this group is heavily invested in capitalism, and you'd need to break down both of these reasons to win them over.
:big-bill: Every dollar someone earns without working, is a dollar someone worked for and didn't get
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Bill Bill fucking slaps for these quick and easily digestible quotes
More than just that, all currencies (and most money-commodities) derive their utility directly from their scarcity. If they become less scarce, all of a sudden you can't trade in them quite as well.