I remember reading on wikipedia that nearly all soviet partisans, far from being spontaneous independent patriots rising up against the occupiers, were organized and directed by the NKVD down to fine details. one of it's main functions was to be a reminder that the soviet state had not left, and any they were still watching for any collaborators, who would all be noted and punished soon or later.
Sounds like liberal slander, but it also sounds believable to me. In Come and See, the swamp partisans aren't fighting the Germans, they're stealing a cow from a collaborator.
then I've heard accounts that do make it sound like spontaneous resistance inspired by a generation educated in soviet democracy and hardship, like a group of women who killed the germans occupying their village, then fled like 50 miles to soviet control, killing a motorcycle patrol who tried to arrest them.
Well, the Chinese version definitely was independent patriots rising up against Japanese occupiers. Unaffiliated bands of guerillas would initially fight against the IJA on their own before joining the CPC or the KMT in order to get more logistical support. I don't see why eastern Europeans wouldn't do exactly the same to their genocidal Nazi oppressors. I guess eastern Europeans' brains are simultaneously too Asiatic and not Asiatic enough, so killing their oppressors never crossed their half European/half Asiatic brains.
only the slavs who spontaneously made armies that fought the communists in ww2 were genuine.
I also read on a low quality wiki article NLF and PAVN strategy, organization and structure, another thing that sounds like it was intended to delegitimize them, but also sounds somewhat logical to what I know of the communists and would be justified if real.
The Communist command structure was complex,[100] with a series of interlocking committees and directorates, all controlled by the Central Committee of Hanoi's Lao Dong (Communist) Party. This same pattern of interlocking groups was repeated further down the chain to the lowliest hamlet- all controlled by party operatives.
This elaborate structure often appears ponderous to Western eyes, but it was extremely well adapted to the demands of the war effort, and its built in overlapping, duplication and redundancy made it resilient and able to adjust to defections, captures or deaths among its members. While the North Vietnamese and their allies made elaborate attempts to camouflage the organizational arrangements that drove the war, it is important to note that both the armed Viet Cong (properly the PLAF), and the regular troops of the PAVN were ultimately one joint force. Each had its distinct local characteristics, recruitment paths, resource bases, and missions, but collectively they were controlled as one by Hanoi, and are treated as such in official communist histories of the war.[101]
You guys are all stupid. They're good be looking for army guys :funny-clown-hammer:
the american civil war will have the cutest and fanciest partisans yet, mark my words
Do you think the two guys with the PPS 43 and PPSH 41 made fun of the guy with the PPD 40, becuase it took like 3 times the man hours to make but has the exact same performance and reliability, which is kind of bourgeois decadance.
I like to think they venerate the predecessor that made their models possible
Imagine trying to be a good partisan but secretly your comrades irritated the shit out of you like that guy on the left
This is enough to affix the Partisans 1941 soundtrack in my head again.
