There is an ongoing debate within Democratic Socialists of America on the question of Ukraine. Many individual DSA members and chapters have upheld the
The Ukrainian nazi state by law and edict suppresses the decimated left-wing of Ukarine while massacring its minority populaton and treating it's demoralized conscripted army as cannon fodder for the sake of pro-western optics
Many individual DSA members and chapters have upheld the basic socialist principle of international solidarity, that a nation and people subject to foreign aggression have the fundamental right to defend themselves, and the right to obtain from wherever they can the weapons they need to carry out that self-defense. The bulk of the DSA International Committee (DSA IC), however, has failed to uphold this principle.
This isn't a statement from the DSA, and it sounds like the DSA (or at least the international committee) is largely against this.
and it sounds like the DSA (or at least the international committee) is largely against this.
I would say that the opinions DSA-IC does not equal the DSA as a whole whereas their national office that the party as a whole elects is. As disappointing as that is
I think technically any member can publish in Democratic Left, but the IC is full of MLs and anti-colonialism types and it's positions on the Ukraine Conflict have been approved by the NPC for the most part. The NPC isn't necessarily made up of people I would trust to be consistently correct on international issues but it's nowhere near as bad as all these (my suspicion is former ISO) Trots that are trying to sell Sotsialnyi Rukh.
theres no distinction, its just the national committee where the foreign policy work happens, but it represents DSA’s stance cause its all approved by the NPC
Hm, there's a distinction between the statements of the NPC and the IC in that the NPC does the "condemn both sides but let's talk more about america" whereas the IC properly chronicalizes the events leading up to the invasion including the failures of the Ukraine to follow both Minsk agreements.
The key thing here is that because the DSA-NPC and DSA-IC are a national formation they've been better able to put aside their disagreements to work together on advancing the anti-war and anti-imperialism camp explicitly against their home country's role in the war, whereas the international communist movement is still choking on the question of whether or not it's bad to invade fascist nations.
Also I've been :logout: and logging in for the past 2 hours just to make this reply lmfao
Just cause the IC one is from before the invasion and the NPC one is a more public facing short statement after the invasion. The current NPC basically defers to IC on handling foreign policy stuff in general and not really overrides things cause theyve approved everything. I think there's largely political unity at the national level on this among the major internal political factions. The only people complaining have been the ones like la botz who wrote this article, but they are inconsequential cranks and in a small minority now.
also idk whats wrong w the site right now it keeps logging me out too lol
While DSA was initially relentlessly attacked by mainstream media outlets and pundits for opposing the war and calling out the role of the United States and NATO...
DSA joined over 100 anti-war organizations before the invasion that rightfully called out this escalating militarism...
In NYC-DSA we’ve worked with local anti-war orgs doing public tablings to hand out flyers, petition politicians, and talk to people about the need for the United States to engage in serious diplomatic efforts.
The Ukrainian nazi state by law and edict suppresses the decimated left-wing of Ukarine while massacring its minority populaton and treating it's demoralized conscripted army as cannon fodder for the sake of pro-western optics
The DSA literally supports fascism
This isn't a statement from the DSA, and it sounds like the DSA (or at least the international committee) is largely against this.
I would say that the opinions DSA-IC does not equal the DSA as a whole whereas their national office that the party as a whole elects is. As disappointing as that is
its attacking this article that talks about DSA's response
https://www.dsausa.org/democratic-left/dsa-and-the-war-in-ukraine-toward-a-mass-socialist-anti-war-movement/
Yep, DSA-IC like I thought. At least whoevers in charge of approving publications is a fellow traveler
I think technically any member can publish in Democratic Left, but the IC is full of MLs and anti-colonialism types and it's positions on the Ukraine Conflict have been approved by the NPC for the most part. The NPC isn't necessarily made up of people I would trust to be consistently correct on international issues but it's nowhere near as bad as all these (my suspicion is former ISO) Trots that are trying to sell Sotsialnyi Rukh.
theres no distinction, its just the national committee where the foreign policy work happens, but it represents DSA’s stance cause its all approved by the NPC
Hm, there's a distinction between the statements of the NPC and the IC in that the NPC does the "condemn both sides but let's talk more about america" whereas the IC properly chronicalizes the events leading up to the invasion including the failures of the Ukraine to follow both Minsk agreements.
The key thing here is that because the DSA-NPC and DSA-IC are a national formation they've been better able to put aside their disagreements to work together on advancing the anti-war and anti-imperialism camp explicitly against their home country's role in the war, whereas the international communist movement is still choking on the question of whether or not it's bad to invade fascist nations.
Also I've been :logout: and logging in for the past 2 hours just to make this reply lmfao
The heart of a poster
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Just cause the IC one is from before the invasion and the NPC one is a more public facing short statement after the invasion. The current NPC basically defers to IC on handling foreign policy stuff in general and not really overrides things cause theyve approved everything. I think there's largely political unity at the national level on this among the major internal political factions. The only people complaining have been the ones like la botz who wrote this article, but they are inconsequential cranks and in a small minority now.
also idk whats wrong w the site right now it keeps logging me out too lol
At least they got rules based order libs in charge lol
The war to keep posting even when the site tells you to :logout: continues
I don't think it's just the IC here:
Good statement
its literally an article criticizing DSA's stance on all this lol