I think there's also an element of emotional immaturity (dunno if there's a better word?) A decent chunk of men seem totally incapable from moving on from being 13 yr olds making up blatant lies to impress their mates about fights they were in and girls they shagged (from another town, you're not cool enough to know them) and live with this barely concealed terror that people will call them on their bullshit cos they actually spent Sat eve hanging about Morrison's car park before having to go home early cos the second WKD made em puke in the ornamental flower beds so to speak.
I have no idea if this pillock has all those cars, but I can say for absolute certainty that even if they are real, deep down they really don't feel real to him.
and live with this barely concealed terror that people will call them on their bullshit cos they actually spent Sat eve hanging about Morrison’s car park before having to go home early cos the second WKD made em puke in the ornamental flower beds so to speak.
lmao this is probably a little too British for Hexbear but you are spot on.
It certainly makes it easier to get mad at people you otherwise would never have known, but guys have been finding ways to get mad about their dicks forever.
Its different now, but its different in all the same ways. Its like poetry, it rhymes.
Masculinity has always and primarily been defined in opposition to femininity. Indeed it can only exist as a contrast to whatever is seen as feminine. This leads it in pretty weird directions.
Reminds me how that chud slop called "The Man Show" decades back was supposedly all about manly man things but couldn't go for more than a few seconds without :awooga: dance cages and so on.
I think it's more fragile today because feminism has so undermined "traditional" (read: Western Europe post-1700) masculinity. Masculinity has, for the vast majority of agricultural history, never actually been challenged. For the last 100 years, however, moreso every decade, there has been a growing cultural awareness of how much that "traditional" masculinity fucking sucks. Fragility is reaction, and reaction only exists in response to progress.
I would also point out that, although Western European forms of patriarchy have been exported to cultures all over the world, most cultures - even ones with very different norms of gender - were/are still fundamentally patriarchal. Where those old structures remain, they are often equally reactionary to the assertion of agency by non-men.
And the daughters took up the slack by handing white feathers to the men who didn't go to war, accusing them of being cowards, causing psychic damage and shaming many into joining the killing machine.
i mean patriarchy was a much more dominant social logic which has declined and warped as capitalism has found it to be unnecessary. it's useful in economies which rely on unpaid reproductive labor, but in a country with an enormous service industry and desk jobs which wish to supplant the family, traditional patriarchical values become more of a liability.
I think its more that capital no longer wants to pay for imperial core labor, so the discipline of patriarchy is no longer necessary. It can be mostly relegated to a cultural battle that capital can parasitize off off. Not to even remotely imply that women's liberation is not central to a truly liberated future, only to elucidate why girl boss feminism is and had been the dominant thread in the imperial core.
Your analysis isn't unsound, I just tend to think capital is less deliberative in it's processes. It also explains why birth rates tend to fall in developed capitalists nations while they continue to grow in periphery regions, it makes sense to just buy cheap labor from an "externalized" source rather than bother to pay for social reproduction/expansion. More importantly it explains the declining birthrate trend in imperial core countries without falling back on fascist Malthusian bullshit that places the onus on individuals and morality.
Has masculinity as been this wafer thin fragile or is it just amplified now in the post Trump social media age?
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Men have just gone nutty with it thanks to twitter and social media though.
I think there's also an element of emotional immaturity (dunno if there's a better word?) A decent chunk of men seem totally incapable from moving on from being 13 yr olds making up blatant lies to impress their mates about fights they were in and girls they shagged (from another town, you're not cool enough to know them) and live with this barely concealed terror that people will call them on their bullshit cos they actually spent Sat eve hanging about Morrison's car park before having to go home early cos the second WKD made em puke in the ornamental flower beds so to speak.
I have no idea if this pillock has all those cars, but I can say for absolute certainty that even if they are real, deep down they really don't feel real to him.
lmao this is probably a little too British for Hexbear but you are spot on.
It certainly makes it easier to get mad at people you otherwise would never have known, but guys have been finding ways to get mad about their dicks forever.
Its different now, but its different in all the same ways. Its like poetry, it rhymes.
Masculinity has always and primarily been defined in opposition to femininity. Indeed it can only exist as a contrast to whatever is seen as feminine. This leads it in pretty weird directions.
Very dialectical.
Reminds me how that chud slop called "The Man Show" decades back was supposedly all about manly man things but couldn't go for more than a few seconds without :awooga: dance cages and so on.
I've never heard of that show, but nothing about that sentence surprises me
I think it's more fragile today because feminism has so undermined "traditional" (read: Western Europe post-1700) masculinity. Masculinity has, for the vast majority of agricultural history, never actually been challenged. For the last 100 years, however, moreso every decade, there has been a growing cultural awareness of how much that "traditional" masculinity fucking sucks. Fragility is reaction, and reaction only exists in response to progress.
I would also point out that, although Western European forms of patriarchy have been exported to cultures all over the world, most cultures - even ones with very different norms of gender - were/are still fundamentally patriarchal. Where those old structures remain, they are often equally reactionary to the assertion of agency by non-men.
It used to be even more fragile.
For a couple hundred years wealthy men could only handle strong emotions by shooting each other with pistols
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Hard to imagine honestly.
Imagne a time when even insinuating to a man that he was in any way mildly feminine resulted if getting into a fistfight lol.
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Like when everyone was cool with sending their sons off to the trench warfare meat grinder of WWI because society was too soft?
And the daughters took up the slack by handing white feathers to the men who didn't go to war, accusing them of being cowards, causing psychic damage and shaming many into joining the killing machine.
i mean patriarchy was a much more dominant social logic which has declined and warped as capitalism has found it to be unnecessary. it's useful in economies which rely on unpaid reproductive labor, but in a country with an enormous service industry and desk jobs which wish to supplant the family, traditional patriarchical values become more of a liability.
I think its more that capital no longer wants to pay for imperial core labor, so the discipline of patriarchy is no longer necessary. It can be mostly relegated to a cultural battle that capital can parasitize off off. Not to even remotely imply that women's liberation is not central to a truly liberated future, only to elucidate why girl boss feminism is and had been the dominant thread in the imperial core.
okay yeah i see that, that's a much better analysis than mine
Your analysis isn't unsound, I just tend to think capital is less deliberative in it's processes. It also explains why birth rates tend to fall in developed capitalists nations while they continue to grow in periphery regions, it makes sense to just buy cheap labor from an "externalized" source rather than bother to pay for social reproduction/expansion. More importantly it explains the declining birthrate trend in imperial core countries without falling back on fascist Malthusian bullshit that places the onus on individuals and morality.
We now have a generation of bourgeois assholes who are social media literate and extremely online.
It's been like this a long time but it's getting cartoonishly worse.