what else is there to know besides rich people suck and ruin the world even if they're "lefties", i feel like being bitter to some degree is a healthy reaction to that unwinnable situation.
Because you're bent out of shape over someone making good money working in medicine who is being radicalized in their work place and you can't see a good thing for what it is because you can't get past your own petty and personal grievances. Should wealth disparity be even higher so that people can either be billionaires or poor enough to fit your standard of some capable of being an ally?
I think what frustrates OP is that their entire life and the difficulties they experienced growingn up was already revealed to these people already and it seemingly meant nothing to them. They were at the time close friends and it's painful that not only was that her real experience minimized and ignored by her friends, the idea of that kind of experience might now be a vainglorious facebook psot for likes. Cringe.
And maybe thats how you see the world, but for me making a twitter post isnt radicalizing, its posting. I hate rich people like how I hate cops, even rich lefties.
I'm not disagreeing that it is the predominately popular attitude, especially among the working poor, what I am saying is that it's a poor method of class analysis that deliberately obfuscates things you have in common with other working class individuals, things that could potentially lead to solidarity and revolutionary class struggle. Not that it is particularly likely in the U.S.
I understand the frustration and anger of not 'being recognized' for having the right opinions. Or the intellectual babying that is done towards the upper-middle 'class'. But there is still some value in remembering the parable of the prodigal son. It's just there is no farm for those in poverty to materially still have, unfortunately, so it's not really a one-to-one.
That's why this website with an enormous middle class streak is rejecting it lol
The corpus of comments on this post prove to me utterly that even the epic communists who are middle class are spoiled brats who feel the need to lecture everyone whenever someone expresses envy and resentment of their class position.
Because you’re bent out of shape over someone making good money working in medicine who is being radicalized in their work place and you can’t see a good thing for what it is
I would bet my bottom dollar that neither Mary nor Brenda will ever become revolutionaries.
At least Mary is like, "healing the sick" through the money of her parents and her good education, maybe if we all had those same opportunities and if becoming a doctor didnt have a bunch of arbitrary hurdles set by already existing rich American doctors to get through we'd have more doctors and less doctor worship.
Yeah, that would be cool. Mary is no more or less guilty or innocent about that not being the case tho. And doctors have been held pretty high in cultural standing wayyyyyy before capitalism. Cause they heal the sick and being sick is a bummer.
Youre the one giving them that standing, its only a current feature in our society because we have fucked up laws in who and how many people can practice medicine in the US due to already rich american doctors not wanting competition.
Look into like, any civilization, ever, with few if any exceptions people practicing medicine are appreciated. It is socially reproductive labor. Once again, you've done as much to change these laws as Mary, so, how's it relevant?
Its a great job no one is arguing that, the problem is that to become one in our modern society you have to be insanely lucky (like my best friends sister) or already rich. We should be doing better at this point in the game
Okay, once again, how is this any more any individual medical practioners fault for not changing it any more.than it is your own fault? What are they gonna do? A work stoppage and let people literally die? Its actually a field where you are likely to get to meet several people who will straight up be killed by the system in front of you with you knowing it could have been prevented if it weren't for the system. It's not gonna be all doctors but also, you don't need 100% of people 100% on board, you need the right amount of the right people 100% on board and a sizeable enough amount who are 50% there or higher. They may not become a Revolutionary, but they may support one after it succeeds, if anything they're on the right track.
Actual class consciousness and not weird childish spite and lashing out about people becoming better because they make decent money. Like, it's not even an important person they're upset about. They aren't a capitalist and they're becoming a better person. The point in preaching is get the fuck over yourself. I will once again ask, cause I have 2 other times in this thread to no answer: how poor is poor enough to not deserve to be hated? This is a childish and self absorbed perspective. I'm sure their are people worse off who see OP as Mary and I'm certain that Mary is no where near the top of the class pile and probably feels her own class resentment. It's lib shit to be upset over this person to this extent.
Actual class consciousness and not weird childish spite and lashing out about people becoming better because they make decent money.
Class consciousness does not mean you have to be nice in your mind to every labor aristocrat who discovers that other people exist. We've already agreed that these people are not going to be revolutionary, don't pretend this has anything to do with Socialism.
I will once again ask, cause I have 2 other times in this thread to no answer: how poor is poor enough to not deserve to be hated?
The concept of labor aristocracy refers to exploited workers in the first world being in turn exploiters of imperial labor through cheaper products, services etc. Basically NAFTA kinda shit. It's not really something you can blame an individual for being part of like any other part of the system, it also super does not refer to the fact that doctors make good money.
So the Engels one just says that profit that comes from imperialism isn't divided equally within the empire, so yeah, no shit and isn't an argument against anything I said.
Is Mary a labor leader? Is the bribery fully operating? Is she a phillistines also in her mode of life and outlook? Cause it seems at least the outlook is shifting.
Hate to say it, but who doesn't this apply to in the 1st world?
what else is there to know besides rich people suck and ruin the world even if they're "lefties", i feel like being bitter to some degree is a healthy reaction to that unwinnable situation.
That's juvenile.
why
Because you're bent out of shape over someone making good money working in medicine who is being radicalized in their work place and you can't see a good thing for what it is because you can't get past your own petty and personal grievances. Should wealth disparity be even higher so that people can either be billionaires or poor enough to fit your standard of some capable of being an ally?
I think what frustrates OP is that their entire life and the difficulties they experienced growingn up was already revealed to these people already and it seemingly meant nothing to them. They were at the time close friends and it's painful that not only was that her real experience minimized and ignored by her friends, the idea of that kind of experience might now be a vainglorious facebook psot for likes. Cringe.
And maybe thats how you see the world, but for me making a twitter post isnt radicalizing, its posting. I hate rich people like how I hate cops, even rich lefties.
How poor is poor enough to not earn your scorn?
Iunno sometimes it just all vibes and a post like this kind of gives me a similar reaction
Ah yes, the Immortal Vibe Based Ambling of Marxist Lenninism. Read a book
Stop making ur mom and dad money guilt my problem
You're making it your own problem all by yourself dawg
:yes-sicko:
Idk, this literally sounds like aesthetics-based class analysis. Might as well think someone with a pick-up truck is automatically 'working class'.
I feel like my attitude is overwhelmingly common amongst the people i grew up with and people who dont have it didnt come from poverty.
I'm not disagreeing that it is the predominately popular attitude, especially among the working poor, what I am saying is that it's a poor method of class analysis that deliberately obfuscates things you have in common with other working class individuals, things that could potentially lead to solidarity and revolutionary class struggle. Not that it is particularly likely in the U.S.
I understand the frustration and anger of not 'being recognized' for having the right opinions. Or the intellectual babying that is done towards the upper-middle 'class'. But there is still some value in remembering the parable of the prodigal son. It's just there is no farm for those in poverty to materially still have, unfortunately, so it's not really a one-to-one.
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That's why this website with an enormous middle class streak is rejecting it lol
The corpus of comments on this post prove to me utterly that even the epic communists who are middle class are spoiled brats who feel the need to lecture everyone whenever someone expresses envy and resentment of their class position.
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If it's vibes based then almost no westerner is poor enough.
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Why because it makes middle class and rich people feel bad?
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I think im fine actually and i just didnt want to answer your question
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I would bet my bottom dollar that neither Mary nor Brenda will ever become revolutionaries.
I would bet my bottom none of us will be either. At least Mary is like, healing the sick.
At least Mary is like, "healing the sick" through the money of her parents and her good education, maybe if we all had those same opportunities and if becoming a doctor didnt have a bunch of arbitrary hurdles set by already existing rich American doctors to get through we'd have more doctors and less doctor worship.
Yeah, that would be cool. Mary is no more or less guilty or innocent about that not being the case tho. And doctors have been held pretty high in cultural standing wayyyyyy before capitalism. Cause they heal the sick and being sick is a bummer.
Youre the one giving them that standing, its only a current feature in our society because we have fucked up laws in who and how many people can practice medicine in the US due to already rich american doctors not wanting competition.
Look into like, any civilization, ever, with few if any exceptions people practicing medicine are appreciated. It is socially reproductive labor. Once again, you've done as much to change these laws as Mary, so, how's it relevant?
Its a great job no one is arguing that, the problem is that to become one in our modern society you have to be insanely lucky (like my best friends sister) or already rich. We should be doing better at this point in the game
Okay, once again, how is this any more any individual medical practioners fault for not changing it any more.than it is your own fault? What are they gonna do? A work stoppage and let people literally die? Its actually a field where you are likely to get to meet several people who will straight up be killed by the system in front of you with you knowing it could have been prevented if it weren't for the system. It's not gonna be all doctors but also, you don't need 100% of people 100% on board, you need the right amount of the right people 100% on board and a sizeable enough amount who are 50% there or higher. They may not become a Revolutionary, but they may support one after it succeeds, if anything they're on the right track.
I didnt read
Just noticed OP went to college and is therefore higher on the class scale than me so I win anyway.
U didnt read
Got me on that one
:fry: I'm a college dropout, not a high school dropout so I'm in the middle strata of my friend group
True the AMA is assumed to be good by most people since doctors but it's kinda fucked
Lol so what the fuck is the point of your preaching? Hit dog kinda thing?
Actual class consciousness and not weird childish spite and lashing out about people becoming better because they make decent money. Like, it's not even an important person they're upset about. They aren't a capitalist and they're becoming a better person. The point in preaching is get the fuck over yourself. I will once again ask, cause I have 2 other times in this thread to no answer: how poor is poor enough to not deserve to be hated? This is a childish and self absorbed perspective. I'm sure their are people worse off who see OP as Mary and I'm certain that Mary is no where near the top of the class pile and probably feels her own class resentment. It's lib shit to be upset over this person to this extent.
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Class consciousness does not mean you have to be nice in your mind to every labor aristocrat who discovers that other people exist. We've already agreed that these people are not going to be revolutionary, don't pretend this has anything to do with Socialism.
Far below whatever you make, clearly.
1.That's literally not what labor aristocracy means.
Oh please do enlighten me.
Sorry I'm off of my job where I'm a servant to middle class people, I'm not going to dance and clap my hands for you.
The concept of labor aristocracy refers to exploited workers in the first world being in turn exploiters of imperial labor through cheaper products, services etc. Basically NAFTA kinda shit. It's not really something you can blame an individual for being part of like any other part of the system, it also super does not refer to the fact that doctors make good money.
Divided World, Divided Class
Imperialism
Imperialism
So the Engels one just says that profit that comes from imperialism isn't divided equally within the empire, so yeah, no shit and isn't an argument against anything I said.
Is Mary a labor leader? Is the bribery fully operating? Is she a phillistines also in her mode of life and outlook? Cause it seems at least the outlook is shifting.
Hate to say it, but who doesn't this apply to in the 1st world?
This is some incredible cope.
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Bingo
Fair point, but for me I'd rather hate than be bitter. Maybe that's just semantics.