• happybadger [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    That's one of those things about CBT that makes me so sceptical of it. Psychologists just feel like I'm being gaslighted into accepting the world wholesale. When COVID started taking off and I had a good sense of how bad the pandemic was going to be, one tried to push delusional optimism and institutional trust to the point that they were functionally indistinguishable from plague rats. It wouldn't get worse and if it did it wouldn't be bad and if it was I'd be fine so it's not a big deal. Purely teaching me to bury my head in the sand.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      That's been my experience too. One of my CBT therapists said my disappointment with how covid was being handled was a "thinking error" because I wasn't considering how things could get better. They all recommended a kind of permanent optimism and avoidance of any negative thoughts or conclusions. It felt like a weird Sunday school.

      • happybadger [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        That one thought that everything would be okay just because things always turn out okay :wholesome:

        Because of the uneven power dynamic I didn't want to point out that they work from home making $100k+ while I'm a student who rents. Ultimately whatever their personal ideology is will dictate their whole sense of ontology and I can't unfuck a liberal's brain enough to understand structural relationships. If things are only getting better because they're a bourgeois hippie who believes in nonsense, that's an insufferable conversation that just feels like a doctor lying to a patient. I can all but guarantee that one is an antivaxxer by now and they're the authority on the human psyche.

        • SoyViking [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          That was my experience with psychiatry as well. Take the pills, think happy thoughts and then you're good. I'm not saying none of it works, the pills works wonders and getting a theoretically founded explanation for some destructive ways of thinking has really been a help. — But it's all introspective, it's all about what you think and feel. At no point does it lead you to think about broader social factors, let alone encourage you to organise with others to change them.

          I have a nice anecdotal example of the "social blindness" of psychiatry. I was in a group therapy session. One of the people there told about how they were depressed about being poor and in debt. The psychiatrist leading the group who had been perfectly nice, empathetic and professional up until that point simply didn't understand why they were complaining. After all they took on the loans themselves and they should be grateful for the meagre pittances the government gave them while they were sick and unable to work. It marked the moment where I lost trust in that psychiatrist and by extension psychiatry itself. A wealthy psychiatrist in a fancy office can be as smart and educated as you want but they'll never be able to understand how life is for those who are struggling.

          • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Capitalist psychology tends towards being exploitative self help style thought mixed with systemic victim blaming.

            Psychological therapy is one of those fields that's useful, but it's implemented in an alienated and atomized way, like you're going to a confessional and telling a priest adorned in gold and silk about how you can barely afford to eat while they tell you to devote more of your life to God/some higher power that knows more than you.

            I think group stuff is at least more in the right direction where the role of the therapist is to mediate a discussion of shared trauma or struggle. A situation that allows for you to meet and form relationships with other people instead of just listening to someone over the phone tell you to think better.

      • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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        2 years ago

        Ain't this the problem with mental health in capitalism? I straight up confronted my psychologist about this because I didn't know why I was even showing up. He told me: "I'm providing a service and you have paid for that service. That service is to make you feel better."

        You're paying for a doctor to get you back in working order (literally). Solving the philosophical dilemmas of 21st century capitalism is beyond their pay grade.

        • DoghouseCharlie [he/him, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          I barely had a chance to see mental health doctors but that was exactly the sense I got. Shut up, take this pill, and get back on your hamster wheel.

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah I stopped going to my last therapist after she directly admitted she wanted me to get to work on time more often. The entire service was to make me more comfortable at my job.

    • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      This is what's so nefarious about all the mental health stuff the neoliberal order has embraced. It's about teaching you to cope with the existing order so that you're neutralized. Sure we destroyed all of the communities that could identify common problems and work to fix those issues, but now you can pay for a therapist who will forget about your issues the second you leave the room. Human beings can't work this much in these conditions at jobs that are utterly pointless if not disgustingly unnecessary, so you can use your sick days for mental health now. We can't possibly change the world, but we can change the chemical balance of your brain so that you don't care anymore.

      The capitalist order does not like people preaching on the streets, it does not like people breaking down at work, and it does not like the spontaneous rebellion generated by the excessive stresses it places on the working classes, and so we get mental health treatments - the opiate of the masses in secular society.

  • amber2 [she/her,they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I think about this concept when it comes to left-wing talking points in media. I recently started Amazon Prime Video's The Boys and it makes interesting points on celebrity culture, politics, and the police, but if nobody watching it starts their own terror cell, why would Bezos care? The jester is just here to keep people entertained, and he's doing a great job

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Nothing I say seems to matter :joker-shopping: No healthcare. Can't afford an appartment even though I'm busting my ass off for your treats. I'm worthless.

    I say we're neglecting the population and need living wages and Medicare for all. :joker-troll: You'd pass me up on the street. You think because I'm just a jester it's all an act. You can't believe how bad you treat me and those who perform for your treats. :youre-awful:

    :deserve-1: Maybe we should burn it all down? Because that's what you are doing to us.

    Not that it's going to matter anyways. You don't give a shit.

    :deserve-2: Oh stop clowning around! It ain't that bad! You have microwaves and don't live in caves, but some of you live under tents! Like clowns are supposed to live. You can whine and bitch all you want. Just because my father's inhertance and connections are better than yours! We let you have the privilege of being jester. You have your free speech and freedom to critique. You want to bitch about privlage? Well check your own! :capitalist-woke:

    :joker-gaming: Why not make this a musical number?

    :joker-che: You know you're right. I have jester's privilege and if it's all a big old silly act to you anyways. Well, here's some jester's privilege :fuck-around: :fuckin-deserve: :porky-scared:

    What's the big deal everyone? It's just a jester's privilege! Aren't you laughing? I'm laughing. Can't you take a joke? :joker-dancing: