One thing I'm seeing that's being left out of the discussion: the reason the faces in the 2010's lose detail is because they're easier to animate.
When you're churning out isekai clone no. 6000 at your animation sweat shop the last thing you want is to keep track of the shading on every last strand of hair.
It does have upsides tho, faces generally are more expressive the easier they are to animate
Clanned face made me stop anime for years.
Fate fandom has confirmed I should not have come back.
I think he’s talking about the 2000s style in the pic. Here’s a picture of clannad https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/615930/capsule_616x353.jpg?t=1580429438
The 00s anime style was atrocious and I don't care who hears it. The kind typified by Kanon, Clannad, Love Hina, Haruhi, etc. Everyone looked bug-eyed, their faces looked like they were melting. It's just gross and unappealing. The flat, light colors style of the 10s was probably a course correction, although we're probably too soon into the 20s to see how that goes.
The 90s style is still beautiful. Sharp lines, deep colors, characters who actually looked like adults too. I loved how deep the shadows were too. Anime gradually lost facial shading and it's a damn shame.
Also no one in anime has a nose anymore. It's gone from a nose, to a dot, to nothing.
The 80s one is the best. Has the most character.
The 2000s one is the worst. Those dead eyes will haunt my nightmares.
Those dead eyes will haunt my nightmares.
Big iris, zero specularity is definitely a choice.
80s is the least child-like depiction of this woman, though I like the bold linework and shading of the 90s.
Yes 80's anime put a lot of effort into making women look mature. You can see the shift towards gross underage lolicon shit happening in the 2000's,
? Anime has always overwhelmingly been aimed at young people from its inception, the only time that wasn't the case was the 90's ova boom in the West when importers decided not to bring in all the family friendly shows being made in Japan in favour of edgy sex and violence stuff, and that ended with the Japanese financial crisis and pokemon
Adults who like anime are overgrown man-children. Yes, I am talking about myself :cri:
“only wanting to see dumpy middle aged people in anime.”
:I-was-saying:
I get why shonen is so popular, but I couldn't see myself primarily consuming media that's exclusively children protagonists. Not only would it get old really quickly, I've watched enough shonen w/ friends that the tropes are just so stale
accused me of “only wanting to see dumpy middle aged people in anime.”
This implies that they only want to see underage girls in anime...
WEE WOO WEE WOO :libertarian-alert: :scared:
I'm in some anime discussion and one thing I love doing is flipping the script on any CHUDs: that THEY are what's wrong with the anime community, not the left. They have been responsible for gentrifying anime to be more western-friendly. In the 2000s, they would have loved the Americanization that 4kidz did and now anime has all the pedo shit westoid fascists love.
Don't get me wrong, I know anime and it's imperfections are more complicated than this, but there is some catharsis in denying the right to be the standing authority on something.
the 20s one isn't even "underage lolicon" anymore, that's a straight up baby.
Babies have pronounced facial lines and round faces more in lines with a hybrid of the 80s and 10s styles. The 20s style here isn't infantile, it's a set of hair and eyes with the remnants of a face fading into the spectral.
The disappearance of the nose and the gradual smoothing of the cheek-bones are a bit neotenous, but I definitely wouldn't describe any of the faces as infantile.
is also cheaper to make, gotta churn that anime factory.
80s is the least child-like depiction of this woman
I kind-of disagree. It's the least idealized depiction perhaps, but I feel like the 90's/2000's version looks "older", if only because the face is less round.
Although I would say that all of them look relatively "young" compared to whatever age the character is most likely supposed to be.
None of them look like a real person is I guess what I'm trying to say here.
yeah the 80s one looks like Fa from Gundam Zeta, who is a teenager. All of these faces could be the same age
God, I'd forgotten how bad the 90s faces were. Like, the 80s faces are meh (Edit: I spent a lot of time staring at the different styles and I was just wrong here. The 80s face is probably the best face, but the 80s hair was... Aspirational, even in the era of big hair), and the 00s faces are an overreaction to the 90s era wasting every drop of black ink that might have been used in later decades, but the 90s... It's like someone convinced them that realism was when you drew more black lines.
To each their own, but I really like how bold the linework is in a lot of 90s anime.
Yeah, the boldness, particularly in concert with the incredibly angular lines are just too much for me. Of course, we're moving into the realm of "jesus christ, where are the lines?! Faces have lines, dammit!" now, so I can see how the 90s might be preferable to some people.
It has some nostalgia value for me (though not as much as the 80s style, tbh), but it also kinda breaks suspension of disbelief.
it also kinda breaks suspension of disbelief.
I'll grant that I may be approaching this from a position of "Nostalgia" (although the main bulk of my consumption of anime was really around the time of early-mid Adult Swim era, so way after the period that I think has the most interesting style here); but I also think that like, your reason for disliking it doesn't factor into why I would like it if that makes any sense?
Like, if you tried to animate a version of Paranoia Agent where the default version of "reality" looked like that style, it would be really weird & wouldn't make sense. And would make it harder to tell the difference between when things are supposed to be "normal" & when they're not. (though of course with that show, that's a little bit the point I suppose)
But that's not what I associate the art style with, I associate it a lot more with stuff like Slayers & Outlaw Star; which are completely different kinds of shows, the goals of the stories, and thus the art style used are completely different from one another. And I suppose part of the reason why I like this art style over the others presented, is because of that association.
The anime I tend to associate with the 90s style are mostly DBZ, Pokemon, and their contemporaries which were... fine, I guess? Like, they got me into anime in the first place as a kid, so I don't hate them or anything, but none of them was ever as important to me as Ranma 1/2, Mobile Suit Gundam, and Macross were. Sailor Moon probably would have been, if I hadn't been repressing any and all potential threats to my apparent masculinity while it was on TV, but even if I hadn't been, SM carried forward more of the 80s style anyway.
Ah, now I remember why I never got into comic books....
I've noticed male characters still have noses, it's time they had that taken away
70s anime has the best aesthetic. I'll die on this hill, thanks.
I am attracted to any female character who is drawn woth sharp lines.
I don't know if this is intentional or not, but is there a reason why the 80s and 90s faces are looking at something to their left while the 10s and 20s are just staring at something in front of them?
