The topic of discussion was the fact that we're trying to encourage employees to share salaries with each other. They wanted to try to argue that it was against the "corporate culture" and "Attitude" and that it creates an "uncomfortable work environment" where people who might not be willing to share that information are feeling pressured to, and compared it to sharing medical information.
I'm normally anti carceral, but treating labor violations as misdemeanors would do wonders
Oh absolutely, the material damage caused to someone by not paying them fairly or unjustly firing them is far greater than most ills classified as misdemeanors which could befall them.
Almost like our legal system isn't about healing or preventing harm 🤔
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:aus-delenda-est: is usually such a low bar to match and the US still can’t fucking reach
Oh God imagine getting a fucking HR person as your cell mate.
the current carceral apparatus is bad, but a carceral apparatus where "white-collar" crimes and abusing people you have power over are punished extremely harshly hasn't been tried to my knowledge and that sounds like a fun thing we should do for a few decades.
Yeah, this right here is why I'm not an ML lol.
if think if you're already in power you can do better than that, like the rehabilitation of Puyi, but redirecting the punitive bloodlust tough-on-crime brainworms that westerners have towards people like the Sackler family or probably every CEO could take the heat off of crimes of poverty.
When you flip all uses of the state from working against the proletariat to working against the bourgeoisie and it all looks pretty decent.
I really don't want to lock anyone in a cage if there's literally any more humane alternative.
If the bougie is hell bent on destroying socialism then incarcerating them might be a necessary measure of protecting the socialist state.
An alternative could be to strip them of their assets and class position I suppose. But such an act could seriously spook the other bougies, I suspect prison scares them much less than losing their property and class.
Honestly, if you're not socializing the economy, what's the point of a socialist state? Like, stripping the bourgeoisie of the assets and class position is the point.
For the same reason every existing ML project hasn't just pushed the communism button yet. Gotta coexist with the capitalist system until its defeat is guaranteed.
That's not what I'm saying dude. Venezuela has the commune system where control of firms is handed directly into worker control. That's what practical socialization looks like. I'm not making an immediatist argument, I'm making the same arguments the Chinese left was in the late 60s.
Yes but there are still industrial bourgeoisie in the country, they are still likely trying to fuck the revolution, and a moral decision between incarceration, stripping their assets or execution is likely to be necessary at some point or another.
The problem that you have is that while stripping their assets is more moral from our point of view, the reaction is actually likely to be significantly worse for the country than imprisoning them because from the perspective of the bourgeoisie imprisonment is something they can avoid whereas stripping their assets is not. The other bourgeoisie are likely to ramp up their efforts against you as are the international bourgeoisie if you make the more moral choice from our point of view, this doesn't mean it's the most strategic and correct option.