I lived in Wuhan during SARS, it was fucking eerie. A city of 6 million suddenly seemed empty, there was no quarantine that I know of people just stayed home, everyone who went out wore a mask. People were legit scared but it only lasted like that for about six weeks I think. Obviously COVID is a different beast still just the absolute difference in response between the US and China during the early days just by the general public, without any government intervention, has always really stood out to me.
Interesting side note, The doctors at the campus my family was living had us drink like half a pint of some herbal remedy every day that tasted like fucking patchouli but we never got sick. Not sure if that was the reason or not but I ended up taking a number of herbal remedies while I lived there and quite a few of them definitively helped. There's still a couple things I pick up ever time I get to visit a decent china town. People who clown on herbal and eastern medicine are morons.
Interesting side note, The doctors at the campus my family was living had us drink like half a pint of some herbal remedy every day that tasted like fucking patchouli but we never got sick. Not sure if that was the reason or not but I ended up taking a number of herbal remedies while I lived there and quite a few of them definitively helped. There’s still a couple things I pick up ever time I get to visit a decent china town. People how clown on herbal and eastern medicine are morons.
I think the reason so many in the west oppose herbal medicine and traditional Chinese medicine is because we have no history or traditional medicine of our own since it was destroyed by the Catholic church during their persecution of paganism and witchcraft
Because of that what passes for "alternative medicine" here in the west is a bunch of snake oil scam artist bullshit with no regulations whatsoever that you're even getting the snake oil they promised you
we have no history or traditional medicine of our own since it was destroyed by the Catholic church during their persecution of paganism and witchcraft
Exactly that, and now people are conflating herbal medicine with crystal healers and homeopathy so things aren't really getting better. Which sucks cause there are some really useful plants out there.
you really think we can have little a snakeoil on the market, as a treat and not have people fuck up their lives over seeking out bullshit instead of evidence based medical care?
you're OK with companies profiting from people being duped like that?
had us drink like half a pint of some herbal remedy every day that tasted like fucking patchouli but we never got sick.
Yeah same with my family, I grew up eating or drinking odd shit like bee Royal jelly, liquefied elk horns mixed with tree mushroom extract and root plant puree, and teas made from lichen that look like white worms, moss that look more like rocks, and what tastes like a pinch of sand. And as someone diagnosed with severe asthma when I was younger my asthma's practically nonexistent even when I exercise heavily or during pollen season or work in contaminated environments. The only I ever really still experience it is when I'm interacting with animals I'm allergic to and I can work off my wheezing and sneezing with fresh air and breathing exercises.
I straight up have no idea what thing helped me out and I still generally am apprehensive towards the field of Chinese and Korean traditional medicine but I would rather have it as supplemental medical treatment on top of modern medicine over literal snake oil selling American 'homeopaths'
For minor colds, headaches and the like I'll try herbal medicine first, if they don't work I have no problem reaching for the pills. For real problems I'm always going modern medicine, I have found for a couple chronic conditions herbal stuff makes good supplements. I'm also not just taking some old guys word something works, a lot of plants have years of history in both the west and east as well as some scientific research into them so I try to look that info up too.
The one stand by I always try to keep around for headaches and muscle pain is white lotus oil, not really sure whats in it but definitely some mint and eucalyptus and I assume lotus.
People who clown on herbal and eastern medicine are morons.
no u.
if herbal shit has an active ingredient how the fuck do you control your dose? and if it doesn't have an active ingredient, then it's not the substance that's helping.
cool, I don't have a med card so it's recreational and that means i don't have a very good idea of how much i'm taking or how much i need to be taking for it to do what i want it to do for me.
you see how this is a problem for medicine right? medical weed helps people and would probably help me but the way that shit all went down in the US was legal gamesmanship and it's still not particularly scientific and i'd clown just the same on somebody saying weed was doing something that weed doesn't do.
i don't know where you live but around here the federal agency that's in charge of enforcing the accuracy of that kind of labelling doesn't regulate "supplements" or fake bullshit.
White lotus oil, some sort of tea powder which is like ginseng cinnamon and black tea ( can basically get that any where now though), there's a couple other things which I only know when I see them. One of them works really well for a cough suppressant and I can't think of what it was at all at the moment.
I lived in Wuhan during SARS, it was fucking eerie. A city of 6 million suddenly seemed empty, there was no quarantine that I know of people just stayed home, everyone who went out wore a mask. People were legit scared but it only lasted like that for about six weeks I think. Obviously COVID is a different beast still just the absolute difference in response between the US and China during the early days just by the general public, without any government intervention, has always really stood out to me.
Interesting side note, The doctors at the campus my family was living had us drink like half a pint of some herbal remedy every day that tasted like fucking patchouli but we never got sick. Not sure if that was the reason or not but I ended up taking a number of herbal remedies while I lived there and quite a few of them definitively helped. There's still a couple things I pick up ever time I get to visit a decent china town. People who clown on herbal and eastern medicine are morons.
I think the reason so many in the west oppose herbal medicine and traditional Chinese medicine is because we have no history or traditional medicine of our own since it was destroyed by the Catholic church during their persecution of paganism and witchcraft
Because of that what passes for "alternative medicine" here in the west is a bunch of snake oil scam artist bullshit with no regulations whatsoever that you're even getting the snake oil they promised you
Exactly that, and now people are conflating herbal medicine with crystal healers and homeopathy so things aren't really getting better. Which sucks cause there are some really useful plants out there.
I oppose it because it usually doesn't bear results when its clinically trialled.
If it works, it should stand up to the scientific method.
Traditional medicine that works becomes modern medicine.
the lore can't be totally gone, where can we get in contact with an anthropologist who might know more?
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please explain in your own words what you think a placebo is so I or somebody else who beats me to it can correct your misunderstanding.
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no, it isn't.
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you really think we can have little a snakeoil on the market, as a treat and not have people fuck up their lives over seeking out bullshit instead of evidence based medical care?
you're OK with companies profiting from people being duped like that?
Yeah same with my family, I grew up eating or drinking odd shit like bee Royal jelly, liquefied elk horns mixed with tree mushroom extract and root plant puree, and teas made from lichen that look like white worms, moss that look more like rocks, and what tastes like a pinch of sand. And as someone diagnosed with severe asthma when I was younger my asthma's practically nonexistent even when I exercise heavily or during pollen season or work in contaminated environments. The only I ever really still experience it is when I'm interacting with animals I'm allergic to and I can work off my wheezing and sneezing with fresh air and breathing exercises.
I straight up have no idea what thing helped me out and I still generally am apprehensive towards the field of Chinese and Korean traditional medicine but I would rather have it as supplemental medical treatment on top of modern medicine over literal snake oil selling American 'homeopaths'
For minor colds, headaches and the like I'll try herbal medicine first, if they don't work I have no problem reaching for the pills. For real problems I'm always going modern medicine, I have found for a couple chronic conditions herbal stuff makes good supplements. I'm also not just taking some old guys word something works, a lot of plants have years of history in both the west and east as well as some scientific research into them so I try to look that info up too.
It's kind of hard for some of them like the ingredients for the tea I drink in the rare times my allergies flare up.
It's called Tiantian Baicao and it's made with Glycyrrhiza glabra L . var . glandulifera, Chrysanthemum morifolium Ramat., Hydrangea Tea, Thamnolia Vermicularis (Ach) Asa-hina, Saussurea in volucrate, Arenaria Kansuensis Maxim, Crocus sativus L .
The thamnolia and the arenaria have been particularly hard for me to learn about other than they look wicked
The one stand by I always try to keep around for headaches and muscle pain is white lotus oil, not really sure whats in it but definitely some mint and eucalyptus and I assume lotus.
Is that for rubbing or for huffing or a bit of both?
Huff and temples for headaches rub for muscles, kind like icyhot but way more potent.
Oooo that sounds kind of nice actually. Kind of like tiger balm but with lotus
no u.
if herbal shit has an active ingredient how the fuck do you control your dose? and if it doesn't have an active ingredient, then it's not the substance that's helping.
The same way you control the dose when you smoke weed or eat an edible?
cool, I don't have a med card so it's recreational and that means i don't have a very good idea of how much i'm taking or how much i need to be taking for it to do what i want it to do for me.
you see how this is a problem for medicine right? medical weed helps people and would probably help me but the way that shit all went down in the US was legal gamesmanship and it's still not particularly scientific and i'd clown just the same on somebody saying weed was doing something that weed doesn't do.
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i don't know where you live but around here the federal agency that's in charge of enforcing the accuracy of that kind of labelling doesn't regulate "supplements" or fake bullshit.
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What herbal remedies do you pick up?
White lotus oil, some sort of tea powder which is like ginseng cinnamon and black tea ( can basically get that any where now though), there's a couple other things which I only know when I see them. One of them works really well for a cough suppressant and I can't think of what it was at all at the moment.
:rat-salute: lemme know if you remember, I think that stuff is super interesting