Prosecutors announced that actor Alec Baldwin will be charged with involuntary manslaughter in the fatal shooting of a cinematographer who was killed on a New Mexico movie set
When this first broke I read that the armorer was basically taking the guns and doing target practice while not on set. Not sure if that was ever confirmed or not.
apparently that was the case. there is evidence that guns were taken and loaded with live rounds and used to shoot cans during free time. they also found live rounds on set, which is apparently something that is never supposed to happen according to industry people.
the "armorer" was also split across 2 roles and it was only their 2nd time in the role of armorer, though they seem to be a nepo baby and their father was a long time hollywood armorer.
so the armorer brought a gun with a live round to the set scene and said it was ready. the producer doing the final check at the table announced the gun as "cold" and therefore not loaded with anything that could fire (blanks or live rounds), and handed it to baldwin. and baldwin took it, holstered it, then practicing a draw that was meant to be aimed at a camera, shot and killed someone behind the camera. then everybody blamed everybody else, because apparently nobody did their job. multiple failures by different people is an institutional and cultural problem. and throw in the armorer said it was intentional sabotage.
when that all is included in with the IATSE union complaints, a strike threat over chaotic/unsafe conditions on that set and others the producers ran, a lot more needs to happen than criminal charges against baldwin and the armorer, but of course i don't trust any criminal investigation agency within the US to actually go through this situation and assign proportional blame based on culpability.
so the armorer brought a gun with a live round to the set scene and said it was ready. the producer doing the final check at the table announced the gun as “cold” and therefore not loaded with anything that could fire (blanks or live rounds), and handed it to baldwin. and baldwin took it, holstered it, then practicing a draw that was meant to be aimed at a camera, shot and killed someone behind the camera. then everybody blamed everybody else, because apparently nobody did their job. multiple failures by different people is an institutional and cultural problem. and throw in the armorer said it was intentional sabotage.
Baldwin sounds the least at fault here, why is he the one being charged?
from what I heard they were hiring scabs because the people managing special effects were striking and the scab armourer apparently loaded in real ammunition instead of blanks and forgot to double check it and then Baldwin pulled the trigger thinking it had a blank in it and it happened to be pointing at someone
The licensing requirements for being an armorer in most states is a joke.
Some US states have no testing at all to become a armorer. Just a clean record and have your equipment like gun safes and certain gun types examined every X amount of years.
holy shit. I haven't been following the story that closely, but I remember when it first came out everyone was talking about how even blanks can still kill someone at close range. That's fuckin insane. Personally I think Baldwin sucks as an actor and a dude, but that really does sound like he was set up.
everyone in this thread talking about blanks but apparently it was actual live ammo? holy hell
When this first broke I read that the armorer was basically taking the guns and doing target practice while not on set. Not sure if that was ever confirmed or not.
apparently that was the case. there is evidence that guns were taken and loaded with live rounds and used to shoot cans during free time. they also found live rounds on set, which is apparently something that is never supposed to happen according to industry people.
the "armorer" was also split across 2 roles and it was only their 2nd time in the role of armorer, though they seem to be a nepo baby and their father was a long time hollywood armorer.
so the armorer brought a gun with a live round to the set scene and said it was ready. the producer doing the final check at the table announced the gun as "cold" and therefore not loaded with anything that could fire (blanks or live rounds), and handed it to baldwin. and baldwin took it, holstered it, then practicing a draw that was meant to be aimed at a camera, shot and killed someone behind the camera. then everybody blamed everybody else, because apparently nobody did their job. multiple failures by different people is an institutional and cultural problem. and throw in the armorer said it was intentional sabotage.
when that all is included in with the IATSE union complaints, a strike threat over chaotic/unsafe conditions on that set and others the producers ran, a lot more needs to happen than criminal charges against baldwin and the armorer, but of course i don't trust any criminal investigation agency within the US to actually go through this situation and assign proportional blame based on culpability.
Baldwin sounds the least at fault here, why is he the one being charged?
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from what I heard they were hiring scabs because the people managing special effects were striking and the scab armourer apparently loaded in real ammunition instead of blanks and forgot to double check it and then Baldwin pulled the trigger thinking it had a blank in it and it happened to be pointing at someone
This is some Ace Attorney level shit :edgeworth-shrug:
Even blanks can kill. Firearms of any kind shouldn't be on set.
EDIT: The bullets found their way on set because the idiot armorer brought them for the actors to shoot cans with.
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Baldwin was a producer as well and therefore responsible for hiring this armorer
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The licensing requirements for being an armorer in most states is a joke.
Some US states have no testing at all to become a armorer. Just a clean record and have your equipment like gun safes and certain gun types examined every X amount of years.
holy shit. I haven't been following the story that closely, but I remember when it first came out everyone was talking about how even blanks can still kill someone at close range. That's fuckin insane. Personally I think Baldwin sucks as an actor and a dude, but that really does sound like he was set up.