Genuine question from a dumb Dane. I know that a lot of protestants in the US basically consider Catholics to be pagans, but does does it also workin reverse? Like, do american catholics consider protestants heretic unbelievers, or do they just consider them misguided?
The American Catholic view on Prots isn't too different from European Catholics in that they have doctrinal disagreements, but still consider them Christian. I've noticed a lot of "born again" internet tradcaths take the question of which is the True Church very seriously though, which makes sense since they were mostly fascists before they came to Christianity.
Yeah I figured that the catholic experience in general would mirror most of the European catholics (except for the Polish). The internetty TradCaths don't really count in my book, since they are such obviously a crank dead-end.
Most of the Euro catholics I've met have been mirroring the protestants and become more and more alienated in society, as well as from the Catholic Church. Only exception is in Poland, where the Church has an absolutely massive social impact, at least in part because the church is perceived as one of the main resisters from the Socialist era. I don't really know whether this is absolutely true or a massive oversimplyfication, but it's the only thing i've been told by the Polish people who move here.
Convert extremism seems to be pretty common, I guess you're more likely to get brainwormed if you start converting and begin reading everything possible about it to attain legitimacy vs if you are just born into it and its a buncha shit you do without really bothering to care a ton about specific conflicts in the past.
"This catholicism stuff is great, hoping to get to experience my first mass soon. BTW Vatican 2 was the work of the devil and must the reversed post-haste."
Growing up in a Roman Catholic household, my consequences-of-the-rhythm-method extended family mostly viewed Prots as falling into one of two camps. You had your normal-ass people, and then you had the Jesus freak zealots. Mygrandparents still generally tolerated said zealots because "at least they aren't Jewish/Muslim/atheists," in spite of those same people being the type to parrot, "BUT CATHOLICS AREN'T CHRISTIAN! YER GOIN TA HELL!"
Naturally, my various aunts and uncles were less than thrilled with my Catholic -> Pagan -> atheist arc, and yet they were never all that devout to begin with. There's a stand-up comic who did a bit about "part-time" Catholics who do the fish Friday stuff during Lent and only show up to mass maybe once per year and have to watch the old lady in the front to figure out when to stand/sit/kneel. That bit was fucking bang-on, and described my family to a T.
Yeah, that was mostly my family too. We were at mass every Sunday for a while, but I think that was just to gratify my mom's aunt and uncle, who went to an even stricter Catholic church that had Latin mass and women wearing headcoverings and everything. I was way too "adhd" to really absorb anything except the music (and also probably unconsciously my entire system of morality, but i got that outside the church too).
I know that a lot of protestants in the US basically consider Catholics to be pagans
... not really. Anti-catholic sentiment was very strong when the country was founded (American protestants used to burn pope effigies in an annual holiday called "Pope Night.") and it remained strong even when JFK was elected president, but I would never go so far as to say Catholics were regarded as Pagans. Protestants typically understand that Catholics worship Jesus, but to the extent that they form a negative opinion on Catholics, it's usually centered around resentment of the Vatican. Catholics are historically accused of having dual loyalty to the pope, and therefore incapable of being nationalist (enough) when it's important.
does it also workin reverse? Like, do american catholics consider protestants heretic unbelievers, or do they just consider them misguided?
I mean, yeah, some of 'em probably do. You're asking questions that go back to Martin Luther, or even proto-protestant movements like the Hussites. This is less of a question about America and more a question about religious history in general.
Obviously I don't know this for a fact, but I do remember seeing a lot of catholics who grew up in the Evangelical hotspots complain that their classmates more or less called them pagans, since some of the baptists/weirder protestants consider the existence of sainst to be idolatry, and thus making catholics savage pagans. However I don't really know how much of that is down to just Evangelicals being weird as hell and suffering because the've been on a crusade against public education ever since Bown v. Board of Education.
From what I gather, it's mostly in private that they dislike each other. In politics, the catholics and evangelicals have been solidly Republican since Newt Gingrich and the whole Moral Majority (though I know that the stats for catholics get kind of skeewed by the mostly catholic immigrants from Mexico and Central America). Same sort of weird truce that a lot of the evangelical churches have with each other, despite also hating each other for both valid and non-valid theological reasons.
catholics who grew up in the Evangelical hotspots complain that their classmates more or less called them pagans, since some of the baptists/weirder protestants consider the existence of sainst to be idolatry, and thus making catholics savage pagans.
I have personally experienced this, and can vouch. The classmates in question were a mix of Baptists, Methodists, and members of some weird Church of Christ youth cult. Oddly enough, we had Lutherans and Seventh Day Adventists around, and the aforementioned evangelicals generally left them alone.
Edit: To add, this wasn't even in some evangelical hotspot like the frigging Bible Belt. Just a rural area in the Midwest.
Genuine question from a dumb Dane. I know that a lot of protestants in the US basically consider Catholics to be pagans, but does does it also workin reverse? Like, do american catholics consider protestants heretic unbelievers, or do they just consider them misguided?
The American Catholic view on Prots isn't too different from European Catholics in that they have doctrinal disagreements, but still consider them Christian. I've noticed a lot of "born again" internet tradcaths take the question of which is the True Church very seriously though, which makes sense since they were mostly fascists before they came to Christianity.
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Yeah I figured that the catholic experience in general would mirror most of the European catholics (except for the Polish). The internetty TradCaths don't really count in my book, since they are such obviously a crank dead-end.
How come?
Most of the Euro catholics I've met have been mirroring the protestants and become more and more alienated in society, as well as from the Catholic Church. Only exception is in Poland, where the Church has an absolutely massive social impact, at least in part because the church is perceived as one of the main resisters from the Socialist era. I don't really know whether this is absolutely true or a massive oversimplyfication, but it's the only thing i've been told by the Polish people who move here.
Convert extremism seems to be pretty common, I guess you're more likely to get brainwormed if you start converting and begin reading everything possible about it to attain legitimacy vs if you are just born into it and its a buncha shit you do without really bothering to care a ton about specific conflicts in the past.
"This catholicism stuff is great, hoping to get to experience my first mass soon. BTW Vatican 2 was the work of the devil and must the reversed post-haste."
Growing up in a Roman Catholic household, my consequences-of-the-rhythm-method extended family mostly viewed Prots as falling into one of two camps. You had your normal-ass people, and then you had the Jesus freak zealots. Mygrandparents still generally tolerated said zealots because "at least they aren't Jewish/Muslim/atheists," in spite of those same people being the type to parrot, "BUT CATHOLICS AREN'T CHRISTIAN! YER GOIN TA HELL!"
Naturally, my various aunts and uncles were less than thrilled with my Catholic -> Pagan -> atheist arc, and yet they were never all that devout to begin with. There's a stand-up comic who did a bit about "part-time" Catholics who do the fish Friday stuff during Lent and only show up to mass maybe once per year and have to watch the old lady in the front to figure out when to stand/sit/kneel. That bit was fucking bang-on, and described my family to a T.
Yeah, that was mostly my family too. We were at mass every Sunday for a while, but I think that was just to gratify my mom's aunt and uncle, who went to an even stricter Catholic church that had Latin mass and women wearing headcoverings and everything. I was way too "adhd" to really absorb anything except the music (and also probably unconsciously my entire system of morality, but i got that outside the church too).
... not really. Anti-catholic sentiment was very strong when the country was founded (American protestants used to burn pope effigies in an annual holiday called "Pope Night.") and it remained strong even when JFK was elected president, but I would never go so far as to say Catholics were regarded as Pagans. Protestants typically understand that Catholics worship Jesus, but to the extent that they form a negative opinion on Catholics, it's usually centered around resentment of the Vatican. Catholics are historically accused of having dual loyalty to the pope, and therefore incapable of being nationalist (enough) when it's important.
I mean, yeah, some of 'em probably do. You're asking questions that go back to Martin Luther, or even proto-protestant movements like the Hussites. This is less of a question about America and more a question about religious history in general.
Obviously I don't know this for a fact, but I do remember seeing a lot of catholics who grew up in the Evangelical hotspots complain that their classmates more or less called them pagans, since some of the baptists/weirder protestants consider the existence of sainst to be idolatry, and thus making catholics savage pagans. However I don't really know how much of that is down to just Evangelicals being weird as hell and suffering because the've been on a crusade against public education ever since Bown v. Board of Education.
yeah, maybe anti-catholic sentiment in the US is worse than I thought, if that's the case. Shit's weird. Not my wheelhouse, I'll admit.
From what I gather, it's mostly in private that they dislike each other. In politics, the catholics and evangelicals have been solidly Republican since Newt Gingrich and the whole Moral Majority (though I know that the stats for catholics get kind of skeewed by the mostly catholic immigrants from Mexico and Central America). Same sort of weird truce that a lot of the evangelical churches have with each other, despite also hating each other for both valid and non-valid theological reasons.
I have personally experienced this, and can vouch. The classmates in question were a mix of Baptists, Methodists, and members of some weird Church of Christ youth cult. Oddly enough, we had Lutherans and Seventh Day Adventists around, and the aforementioned evangelicals generally left them alone.
Edit: To add, this wasn't even in some evangelical hotspot like the frigging Bible Belt. Just a rural area in the Midwest.