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The trolly problem but with mormons
Removed by modthe transphobic state of utah is heading towards an environmental disaster, the great salt lake is evaporating and unless water is diverted from farming and lawns the lake will completely evaporate and toxic dust will be blown up from the lake bed and will result in a sharp rise in cancers, miscarriages, and deaths in the surrounding area. The surrounding area however is extremely fucking reactionary and just voted to deprive minors of gender affirming care.
Its possible that if left undisturbed the mormons might fix the problem, they might implement water rationing methods that save the lake and help alleviate climate change in the southwestern us. However if they let the lake dry, a lot of mormons will die, the church loses relevancy, they will be blamed for this disaster.
Is environmental destruction worth it if it means that the left wing gets in power? That is the moral predicament here.
Now say a small group of leftists astroturfed a pro-farmers water rights campaign in Utah. Would it be ethical to critically support a right wing group with the intention of hurting an even worse right wing group?
What I'm saying is, would it be in the best interests of the left to sabotage any efforts at saving the great salt lake?
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Is this the hexbear version of the liberal “let Texans freeze because they voted for trump” thing
this is people on hexbear being upset that utah is doing trans genocide and venting
So why should I waste time shedding a tear
empathy and care for your fellow man. Also electoral politics are not the only way to get things done you could raise money for them yourself for instance
killing mormons won't empower the left, and environmental destruction will harm marginalized people more than anyone else
Is environmental destruction worth it if it means that the left wing gets in power?
There is no left wing here. Drying up the lake will not make the mormon church lose any relevancy. At worst they will relocate to Scottsdale or Boise and continue their operations from there.
If you're interested in doing good in Utah then work on supporting trans people in your community or feeding the homeless or something. Trying to infiltrate the Sons of Helaman or the Deseret Nationalists or whatever fucking insane orthodox mormon group exists these days is bad for you and everyone around you
There is no left wing here.
Any analysis of US politics must start with this axiom.
No way man, once everyone starts breathing in that toxic dust, an armed socialist uprising is going to pop up in Chicago, trust me
Step 1: Irradiate all arable land.
Step 2: 99% of the world population dies
Step 3: ??????
Step 4: Posadism :big-cool:
This post is 9 sentences long and 8 of those sentences are setting off alarm bells.
Very strange how the mods let users like this stick around so long. People have been calling this person out as an obvious wrecker for days. 4 day old account with several posts already removed for :amogus: reactionary stuff. like, just drop the :ban-hammer: already tbh
Y'know, adding environmental genocide to trans genocide doesn't make the trans genocide go away, it just means some extra trans people died with some extra transphobes.
Leftists are in no position to influence what happens to the lake or seize power in Utah so there's no point in philosophizing over it.
:posadas: <- This dude is a meme, not a theorist.
Harming random people is not praxis, 4-days-old account.
:posad: three more lunar cycles and you'll be scrapping the radiation off your words before you eat them, comrade.
I mean yea in theory, but like half of all new users here are either previously banned users on their 5th alt or wierd trolls who intentionally post wierd shit like this
Is environmental destruction worth it if it means that the left wing gets in power?
No, if it lead to power, it would not be worth it. But it doesn't.
if they let the lake dry, a lot of mormons will die, the church loses relevancy, they will be blamed for this disaster.
No, they won't be blamed. Not by most members, anyway. It will be interpreted as a sign of the end times and rallied around.
The surrounding area however is extremely fucking reactionary and just voted to deprive minors of gender affirming care.
Blaming people just for living in a state that's passed a fucked law is... just silly. Blame a person if they called for it, if they pressured their representatives, if they funded or lobbied for it, sure. But don't condemn everyone to 'cancers, miscarriages, and death' simply because they happen to live under an unjust law.
Blaming people just for living in a state that’s passed a fucked law is… just silly
America isn't even a country where voters can influence outcomes they literally aren't responsible
the toxic dust would also mainly hurt the poor who can't afford medical care or to leave the area. the Utah right wing would remain in power.
This is like how liberals don't understand that bombing campaingns "for womens rights" also kill Afghan women
Problem: Utah is genociding trans people there
Solution: We should spend time and effort to encourage environmental destruction so that everyone there dies
The failed toxic wasteland of Utah is going to be fascist rather than socialist. There is no shortcut to socialism, the only way forward is to organise workers and build solidarity. As class consciousness grows the Mormon cult will decrease in relevancy.
Help the proletariat of Utah to organise and do mutual aid to help the victims of the environmental disaster created by Utah's bourgeoisie.
Is total nuclear annihilation worth it if it means that the left wing gets in power? That is the moral predicament here.
Others have addressed many of the other issues in this post. But no one has pointed out that the lake is going to dry up anyway. It's doomed, and nothing can change that. The fact is that the saltiness is a clear indicator that this lake is going to dry up (it's been drying up for a long time, hence the salt content). With climate change accelerating the drying of the West, especially on the eastern side of the mountains, the Great Salt Lake simply cannot be saved, and any belief that it can is utterly delusional.
