What is the point of this? Like congratulations you owned a bunch of people who don't read and have been subject to a propaganda firehose their entire life.
The vid is proof that there's a ton of gettable people on the right, but instead of bothering to try the host just further entrenched the propaganda.
I know this is supposed to just be a joke, but leftists take way too much pride in having the right views. I think people need to start looking at having the right views as a privilege resulting from being exposed to convincing arguments. The corollary of this is to look with compassion to people who have been successfully isolated from these arguments instead of just gloating, pointing and laughing at the morons.
IDK I'm drunk but the vibes in this video are bad
I think people need to start looking at having the right views as a privilege resulting from
being exposed to convincing arguments.from having a political education, in general, more like. I've pointed this out before, but most leaders and theoreticians of the working class political movements dating back to the first international were not proletariat. They were often prosperous peasants (Mao, Lenin, Kim Il Sung), bourgeois heirs (Castro, Engels, Luxemberg, Liebknecht, Marx), children of political officials (Chen Duxiu, co-founder of CPC), or officer-class in a military (Sankara, Gaddafi).
Very few leaders of the actual proletariat movements were themselves proletariat, probably because raising children, working full time, and trying to keep up with fitness and health make it harder to be a professional revolutionary.
That's pretty much exactly what I took from this video too. Made me both sad that people were so close yet so far, both also a little optimistic that at least some propagandized people can have their eyes opened (but not in a shitty owned way like this)
But the right are The Other. You can't "get" The Other to be on your side. That defeats the purpose of The Other, which is to be defeated. And that's what this video did, chalked up a big W on the ingroup side.
we USED to do this but it turned out not to be very effective
When? Not in my lifetime.
You had a lot of both of what you described, difference being the rightist "deprogrammers" turn out to be bigger grifters than the ultra-Left unironic pronouncers of 'ameri-ka-ka-ka' and in turn got ejected into space for being sus and left a void for the faux-rightists we currently see to fill.
IDK comrade, if you think on the time frame of you being radicalized there has been a left in the US coherent enough to try any strategy sufficiently to conclude that it doesn't work, we have very different understandings of the state of the US left.
To be clear I'm not arguing because I think it's more effective (though I 100% do think that) but because it's correct. You're not on the left because you're clever and good, while they're dumb and bad - that just isn't true, that's a very individualistic conception of epistemology. You had the benefit of being exposed to convincing arguments, other people haven't.
As for effectiveness, when was the last time you were open to having your mind changed someone who obviously thinks you're a dumb piece of shit? Like if you meet Matt Walsh or Charlie Kirk or Alex Jones or whoever in person do you think you're genuinely open to their ideas? Do you know any successful union organizers who recommend starting from a position of sneering arrogance rather than focusing on mutual respect and building on areas of common ground?
it turned out not to be very effective and the US far right went ahead and rose up anyway.
The far right in America has been prevalent for most of living memory.
Believing that the filth that makes up the bulk of the MAGA movement can be made to change their minds through a gotcha like this is dumb as hell. They have no coherent ideology because what they desire is fascism, and to see anything they consider their enemy driven from their land.
