I love self harm so I went to the site to check what they think of Trump v DeSantis.
Note: Do not go to the site. It is (obviously) a fascist, racist, sexist, and transphobic shithole.
While there are some Trump supporters, the vast majority seem to support DeSantis and say he appears strong and Trump weak. None are saying they’ll back him over Trump (obviously) but it’s clear that even the most hardened Trump supporters are fans of DeSantis.
Trump might end up losing, folks.
Trump called DeSantis a pedophile yesterday and DeSantis responded with "umm, that's not very civil of you, sir." Trump ain't gonna lose.
As we all learned in 2020 opinion polls and website vibe checks are good indicators of reality, like how Bernie swept the primaries
Fake fans, we all know REAL donald fans would never side with Florida Boy DeLoser :rage-cry:
My family wasn't down with Trump when he first announced for the 2016 primary. He just knew how to play fox perfectly and that might as well be the word of god for them. If Trump can get back on the mic he'll steamroll through all this shit again
I wouldn’t take at face value anything said on a site that has an Atlantic Council (and likely CIA) goon as their director of policy.
What in the fuck? DeSantis looks weak as fuck right now
I'd ask what the hell is wrong with them but there's way too many answers to that rhetorical question
DeSantis had to retaliate to have a chance. He didn't.
If the media's plan is to limit exposure to Trump's incivility, it's a :bold-move-cotton: that isn't gonna play out. You either embrace the incivility, or a profitable media ecosystem will be created around it.
Also, I don't think the online supporters are representative of the base. Like wasn't one of the power users on the donald (subreddit) the pro-Bush neocon that founded /r/conspiratard (subreddit to make fun of conspiracy theorists, mostly started because the guy hated 9/11 conspiracies that blamed Bush).
Thats the first thing i thought too. I can't imagine how much money has been spent since the midterms to push the Desantis over Trump, because the campaign has been massive on old media and new
It very well could be, lol. I find that easier to imagine than people hearing DeSantis and finding him a strong or authoritative voice.
I still doubt how much the internet is to blame for Trump winning. The average person who votes has never heard of reddit or memes or whatever, the average person has maybe a passing familiarity with internet culture and discussions and that's one of the reasons why Qanon caught on like wildfire. Because people with only a passing familiarity suddenly broke their minds on a deluge of information they had no ability to process or sort and deliberately mainlined only the most wacky ideas that fed into their worst biases.
At most you could say Facebook is the litmus test for how people behave online, because that's where most people are and they're behaving like themselves.
Trump's probably going to win the nomination, but the rule of funny is still in effect. I'm still counting on something hilarious happening that none of us expects, like Bloomberg suddenly shooting up in the polls, or Biden dying a week before the election and the Democrats suddenly all nominating Tim Kaine and pretending that was the plan all along.
I still doubt how much the internet is to blame for Trump winning.
More than once, Cable News aired Trump's empty podium rather than the dems and Bernie. But it was totally the russians and social media that got him elected.
yeah I'm much more comfortable blaming traditional print and TV media for Trump, those still have a massive influence on voters. I think a lot of folk don't understand just how many elderly people exist, and those elderly people still overwhelmingly get their information from TV. American politics is dominated by the interests of rich elderly people, by and large.
There are 56 million Americans over the age of 70. That number alone is 1/3 of the voters in 2016.
The internet played a large part as well, i don't think we should overlook the impact social media had on Trump getting elected. The dude basically harnessed meme energy, Donald Trump was a very rich man who had very deep ties in the entertainment industry. He arguably had a better understanding of the internet than Obama and while it may not have been the deciding factor in him getting elected, it certainly helped.
but a lot of that was just leveraging the internet to be shown on TV. every explosive tweet put him back on CNN and then Fox responded, slowly filtering through their subsidiaries and local news stations if it was big enough.
:100-com: It’s fascinating to look back at clips from the Republican primary around then, and how much was covered by CNN, ABC et al as being “Trump’s top zingers” etc. When he was bullying Jeb and Ted Cruz, he was absolutely ratings dynamite.
I don’t see Trump having the same debate performances in him now (how dull was he against Biden?), and I certainly don’t see the MSM giving him such insane exposure.
Man, the Biden or Mayor Pete vs DeSantis debates are going to be lobotomizingly bad
Never forget that the Democrats ordered the media to cover Trump. The media could have refused. But they obeyed.
Sickening.
I thought there was a consensus that Hillary was a terrible candidate even by lib standards, the ones that weren't boomers or straight up delusional neolibs all agreed.
Heck they went for Biden because everyone else was a clown and/or a sellout. Biden of course is also another clown but at least you can pretend he got the political experience etc...
Trump won based on who knows how many "not Hillary" votes.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were polling around 35% favorability each in 2016.
Some of the most unliked presidential candidates in the history of modern American politics.
For comparison, most winning candidates poll 45%+ favorability in normal times.
This corroborates the theory yes? For someone with Hillary's background to be on the same level as a guy previously only known for scamming people on a TV show of questionable popularity. I'd say for a Democrat that is definitely scrapping the bottom of the barrel?
I'm agreeing with you.
Literally anyone else in the (D) primary would've won besides Clinton.
The other real option was Bernie Sanders, a social democrat, and that is too EXTREME for the dems. :agony-shivering:
I think the internet can do literally everything the tv could do. And it can do it better.
you're correct, but there's a lopsided concentration of capital and political authority vested in very elderly people who have very little inclination in keeping up with twitter memes and would instead rather listen to Hannity and Tucker Carlson
Carlson regularly has an audience of 4.5 million+ tune into every show he does. Just for comparison, the most watched Twitch stream of all time peaked at 3.3 million. I remember reading a stat once (don't remember where) that if you regularly have just 20 viewers in a stream you're doing, you're in the top 1%. TV still has a very concentrated rapt audience, whereas the internet has far less focus.
I think moistcritical said something like that. I'd buy it, given how most people just watch a handful of streamers but there are literally millions of them.
And here I was thinking that COVID-19 killed most of the elderly Republicans
The memes have zero influence on old people. Old people get inundated with spam emails and news suggestions that are nominally curated to spiral them into lala-land. It's the same phenomenon as letting youtube play and eventually you get right-wing suggestions. Its that, but the suggestions are made to old people in a different manner that is uniquely accessible to them.
Hillary Clinton was also a terrible candidate.
I'm also convinced that things like google and Facebook cater themselves specifically to certain interests and are pretty good at figuring out who the user is from very little input. A few years ago I was trying to tell my parents about a tragic earthquake that just happened in southern Mexico, but all their search results were showing cruise line dates or ways to buy timeshares. I had to scroll to the 4th page of results to see any earthquake news. Whereas for me the results were the first line. My parents barely even use the internet.
Everyone's slowly drifting into little hedonistic pleasure domes designed specifically to confuse you and extract money
they probably realise that DeSantis is the bigger Nazi
I remember the original website admin was ousted and was forced to give up the domain names. I don't remmeber exactly what happened, but I remember reading a letter from the original guy who said the new series of sites had nothing to do with what he envisioned
edit: wiki
On January 20, 2021, due to an internal power struggle over the TheDonald.win domain between the moderators and Williams, a new forum called Patriots.win was created and TheDonald.win was shut down by Williams on January 21. The moderators of Patriots.win responded by calling Williams a "sellout" who "betrayed the community … [of] hundreds of thousands of loyal patriots." As of January 21, 2021, Epik was providing services to Patriots.win.
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Oh yeah I've seen that too. During the election when it was clear Trump lost, a lot of members were posting about being prepared to kill their (unverified) democrat neighbors if they care about justice and the constitution.
I saw one guy said that he kissed his wife and kids goodnight and sat on the couch all night with a rifle because he knew that the democrats will raid his house and murder them in their sleep lol
good guy landlord
lets you know when the CIA plumber is heading over to install the listening device in your toilet
Pretty much yeah, he was the military human rights lawyer who’s job was to make sure everything was good and legal. He asked the prisoners for their grievances with the conditions and then used that information to make the conditions worse. He later broke a hunger strike by force feeding strapped down prisoners the liquid meal “ensure” via nose tube multiple times a day until they shit themselves
Eyes Left pod interview with Guantanamo Bay prisoner there’s more horrible things I don’t remember
Okay thats somehow more fucked up than what i thought happened :xi-gun:
The only good thing about the story is how the prisoners threw bottles of their piss and shit at him and at least one of them nailed him right in the face
Heh, heh...yeah from watching prison Youtube I know that's a common method of getting back at the warden when he comes on his rounds.
Trump really has lost a lot of his thunder from 2016, but DeSantis is also being hyped up early like Giuliani or Jeb. It could be that they both end up losing.
There's still another year before things really kick off, but I have no clue. Nobody expected Trump to come out on top. Maybe Abbot or the number of other Chud governors that have been even more successful than DeSantis because the media attention hasn't been on them. It's really all up in the air.
I think capital has chosen DeSantis as the anti-Trump. There can't be too many candidates or they'll split the vote and :klobuchar: will be forced to drop out.
The bench of GOP governors that have national appeal isn't deep.
- Some ghoul like Brian Kemp (GA) might have a shot.
- Mike DeWine
- Whatever the hedge fund dude from Virginia.
I thought they liked Kristi Noem, but as of now it's true that there doesn't appear to be too many others. I'm just naturally a little skeptic of "sure things" in politics.
I think the hogs do like Noem, but I don't think she has annnny national viability. I actually debated putting her and Kim Reynolds in the list.
Idk why you are all so worried obviously Liz Cheney will win the primary and we will have normal politics again and go to brunch.
to my dismay :Ron-DIOsantis: is still not implemented, I will be implementing a hunger strike in protest until breakfast tomorrow
DeSantis has to walk a fine line between having the full backing of capital, but not being framed as "establishment". Trump exists because the GOP base is more anti-establishment. If capital coalesces around DeSantis too early and it's observable to the "anti-establishment" base, Trump wins by default.
The "anti-establishment" base might be so chaotic that it can't be relied on.
There's also a sizable chunk of "centrist republicans" that are now "centrist democrats" as Cornpops' nemesis is good enough at suppressing the poors and they can disclaim their affiliation with Trump with their brunch waiter.
Trump can win the nomination but not the presidency. DeSantis can win the presidency but not the nomination.
Nah, he'll never get the nomination. The MAGA crowd kicked the moneychangers out of the temple and neither the neo-cons or big business get to dictate what happens any more. Both of those factions are bitter they lost and trying to worm their way in to the Democrats now.
It's a done deal, the money isn't behind Trump this time around. DeDantis will be the next president, I'd be willing to bet lots of money on it, if I had lots of money, that is.
100% correct, DeSantis is going to dominate in the suburbs, it won't even be close.
Yeah, he's winning all the "centrist democrats" that voted for biden but are actually just republicans that like the way DeSantis kills the poor with civility. :liberalism:
I told my dad that he worked for Guantanamo Bay and he didn't see a problem with that. Registered Democrat voter, ladies and gentlemen.
Trump doesn't need an excess of money, but he needs enough (whatever that threshold is) to compete. I don't think he's at risk of dropping beneath that threshold. I could see zuck and musky tipping the scales one way or another; if I had to guess, I'd say Trump is good for business in a way DeSantis isn't. Libs will love DeSantis and the
Democracy Dies in Darknesscrowd will disengage.The double edged-sword is that Trump can claim to be the "anti-establishment" candidate precisely because he isn't getting money.
They can't do that to my man, Donald. He needs his rematch with Brandon. :angry-place: :DaBiden:
