If you're talking about the one I think, the picture of inmates sitting in a yard wasn't fake, it was an official PR photograph for a seminar about (IIRC) educational programs available to inmates, showing inmates watching the seminar alongside their (out of frame) families. It just got spammed everywhere without context because "China + prison yard" is all it takes for chuds' imaginations to run wild.
Weren't there satellite pictures of their facilities and prisons, and videos of their schools where they were trying to eliminate their old culture? There were images all over the Jon Oliver episode on the Uyghur genocide, including video. You think they were all fake?
I believe China acknowledges the facilities exist, they would dispute that they are torture camps though. I'm of two minds, on the one hand I can easily imagine a government committing human rights abuses in response to a security threat. I think it's good to be skeptical of the state narrative that they're nice vocational training facilities. There's a decent chance things are happening that I would find unacceptable, I think that's fair.
On the other hand I see how our government and media are treating the Palestine conflict. I remember WMD, and the babies that were supposedly unplugged from the incubators in Kuwait. I've read about the Gulf of Tonkin. I know what we did to Mossadegh, and how we spun that coup against democracy as liberation.
I'm deeply skeptical of US and 'western' narratives of people that threaten their order. And yes I do believe a lot of things can be faked, especially things happening in a language almost no Americans speak or read and have to trust the interpretation of events being given to them by actors with a stake in the outcome.
On the other hand I see how our government and media are treating the Palestine conflict.
Related to that, another good thing to look at is how officials and the media talk about these sorts of things: there's all the vocal dehumanization and aggression towards Palestinians in occupied Palestine, towards refugees in the US, etc with the aim of whipping up hatred and inspiring eager genocidaires, whereas in China incitement of ethnic hatred is criminalized, official sources praise Uygur culture, Uygur artists are elevated in the media, etc.
Genocide requires incitement and hatred to sustain it, it doesn't just quietly get enacted without a strong militant base of support to actually carry it out, and it doesn't happen without the whole process leaking like a sieve either - not just from dissenters trying to spread awareness but from the genocidaires themselves celebrating it. If there were a genocide in Xinjiang not only would there be actual, material signs of that like refugees fleeing across the nearby border (instead of there being a constant, normal back and forth there as residents travel for one reason or another and return), there'd be dipshit footsoldiers posting selfies celebrating their latest atrocity and encouraging others to join in, like we see with the IOF publicizing their own crimes in Gaza.
more likely than not they are deradicalization centers - ie reeducation facilities
the us government has spent billions to radicalize the uighurs over the past 30 years. cant remember the name of the program. they wanted to create their own version of alqaida in western china but china was like, no, we aint having that
Right, I acknowledge that, although China unfortunately also had a hand in the radicalization effort: Blowback season 4 goes into it a bit, they wanted to poke the USSR so they actually helped fund the sources in Afghanistan that later backfired into Xinjiang. But like I said, they're dealing with a real security problem.
I would still say that an ethnically delineated camp is probably too broad of a response, but I'm also not one of the people that got stabbed. Maybe that's bourgeois decadence for me to think. Deradicalization appears to be very difficult to do while abiding by the convention on human rights, a more humane and successful attempt at what China is doing doesn't come to mind.
At any rate I am skeptical of the nightmarish cartoon version you normally hear, I wish there were more robust third party organizations that could be trusted to investigate something like this without being weaponized by the US or some wacky fundamentalist. It's just that there's a lot of room between "a genocide of Uygurs" and "everything is totally fine."
I can easily imagine a government committing human rights abuses in response to a security threat.
From what I remember, this was basically the conclusion of a UN report on the subject.
That China was engaging in this broadly successful de-radicalization campaign, that there was evidence of human rights abuses in certain areas of that program, but that they didn't amount to genocide. In fact, I don't think the report ever mentioned the word genocide.
Dumb ass amerikkkracker thinks prison is genocide. I get it, you're amerikkkan and want to use prisons to genocide and oppress black people but not every country is amerikkka
I don't watch John Oliver because he's a white supremacist liberal moderate hitlerite who married a demon soldier of the 2.5th Reich, so I haven't seen this video (or maybe I have, but I wouldn't know without specifics).
Bro if China wanted to genocide the uighers (why would they btw) why would they explicitly exempt them from their previous one child policy? Why has the uigher population steadily increased like consistently?
Are they just doing a genocide very badly? Seems stupid to believe in imo
We need to make a word just for israel so it's like when you make a country in the wake of the holocaust but you do the holocaust again only this time you're the ones doing it so it's okay to the western world.
this time you're the ones doing it so it's okay to the western world.
To be fair, the Western powers/ruling class were fine with the Holocaust before the war started because Nazi Germany was actively anti-communist. They only really got involved because of obligations with allies in europe that got invaded. Before the war started, both Britain and America both rejected masses of Jewish refugees escaping persecution, while the USSR accepted them in droves.
They were fine with holocaust even in 1943, read about Jan Karski mission, he brought the proof to collective elites of politics, business and showbusiness of UK and USA and the response was overwhelming crickets.
More like capitalize on the most vulnerable population in the world at the time and do nothing to punish the perpetrators of their genocide besides kidnapping some Nazis on the run and not the ones running western institutions. Germany is spared.
The Holocaust TM narrative and anti-communism has always been leveraged by Israel to distort history and lure Jews into their military base masquerading as a society.
"Israel" established secret concentration camps for Palestinians in 1971: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT.MAGAZINE-israel-secretly-detained-innocent-palestinians-in-desert-camps-in-1971-1.10050775
10 years of Uyghur "genocide": no image
7 months after October 7:
Next lib cope: "Israel is a free and democratic country so people are allowed to take photos of the concentration camps!"
the photo of the Palestinians sitting is so hilariously close to the same as that fake photo of Uyghurs.
Projection, as usual
If you're talking about the one I think, the picture of inmates sitting in a yard wasn't fake, it was an official PR photograph for a seminar about (IIRC) educational programs available to inmates, showing inmates watching the seminar alongside their (out of frame) families. It just got spammed everywhere without context because "China + prison yard" is all it takes for chuds' imaginations to run wild.
But there was a photo of the Uyghur genocide.
Sure, it was in Brazil and a photo of a Brazilian jail, but we were definitely told it was Uyghur genocide.
And you’re also forgetting those satellite images of warehouses in Xinjiang. How do you explain that if not genocide?
lol there was also that Taiwanese BDSM sex dungeon photo that got misrepresented as "Xinjiang torture"
Also the cock milking machines that Jordan Peterson shared
that milk was unpasteurized so its okay
did you hear they have prisons in China? literally genocide.
I thought it was just a normal textile factory in Brazil, not even a prison?
Somebody post this comment in
and record how long it takes to get banned off of different subs
Weren't there satellite pictures of their facilities and prisons, and videos of their schools where they were trying to eliminate their old culture? There were images all over the Jon Oliver episode on the Uyghur genocide, including video. You think they were all fake?
I believe China acknowledges the facilities exist, they would dispute that they are torture camps though. I'm of two minds, on the one hand I can easily imagine a government committing human rights abuses in response to a security threat. I think it's good to be skeptical of the state narrative that they're nice vocational training facilities. There's a decent chance things are happening that I would find unacceptable, I think that's fair.
On the other hand I see how our government and media are treating the Palestine conflict. I remember WMD, and the babies that were supposedly unplugged from the incubators in Kuwait. I've read about the Gulf of Tonkin. I know what we did to Mossadegh, and how we spun that coup against democracy as liberation.
I'm deeply skeptical of US and 'western' narratives of people that threaten their order. And yes I do believe a lot of things can be faked, especially things happening in a language almost no Americans speak or read and have to trust the interpretation of events being given to them by actors with a stake in the outcome.
Related to that, another good thing to look at is how officials and the media talk about these sorts of things: there's all the vocal dehumanization and aggression towards Palestinians in occupied Palestine, towards refugees in the US, etc with the aim of whipping up hatred and inspiring eager genocidaires, whereas in China incitement of ethnic hatred is criminalized, official sources praise Uygur culture, Uygur artists are elevated in the media, etc.
Genocide requires incitement and hatred to sustain it, it doesn't just quietly get enacted without a strong militant base of support to actually carry it out, and it doesn't happen without the whole process leaking like a sieve either - not just from dissenters trying to spread awareness but from the genocidaires themselves celebrating it. If there were a genocide in Xinjiang not only would there be actual, material signs of that like refugees fleeing across the nearby border (instead of there being a constant, normal back and forth there as residents travel for one reason or another and return), there'd be dipshit footsoldiers posting selfies celebrating their latest atrocity and encouraging others to join in, like we see with the IOF publicizing their own crimes in Gaza.
more likely than not they are deradicalization centers - ie reeducation facilities
the us government has spent billions to radicalize the uighurs over the past 30 years. cant remember the name of the program. they wanted to create their own version of alqaida in western china but china was like, no, we aint having that
Right, I acknowledge that, although China unfortunately also had a hand in the radicalization effort: Blowback season 4 goes into it a bit, they wanted to poke the USSR so they actually helped fund the sources in Afghanistan that later backfired into Xinjiang. But like I said, they're dealing with a real security problem.
I would still say that an ethnically delineated camp is probably too broad of a response, but I'm also not one of the people that got stabbed. Maybe that's bourgeois decadence for me to think. Deradicalization appears to be very difficult to do while abiding by the convention on human rights, a more humane and successful attempt at what China is doing doesn't come to mind.
At any rate I am skeptical of the nightmarish cartoon version you normally hear, I wish there were more robust third party organizations that could be trusted to investigate something like this without being weaponized by the US or some wacky fundamentalist. It's just that there's a lot of room between "a genocide of Uygurs" and "everything is totally fine."
good post
Thanks!
From what I remember, this was basically the conclusion of a UN report on the subject.
That China was engaging in this broadly successful de-radicalization campaign, that there was evidence of human rights abuses in certain areas of that program, but that they didn't amount to genocide. In fact, I don't think the report ever mentioned the word genocide.
Fake and/or misrepresented, yes. Nobody denies a counter-insurgency in the region. They do deny a genocide, because the claims are false
Dumb ass amerikkkracker thinks prison is genocide. I get it, you're amerikkkan and want to use prisons to genocide and oppress black people but not every country is amerikkka
I don't watch John Oliver because he's a white supremacist liberal moderate hitlerite who married a demon soldier of the 2.5th Reich, so I haven't seen this video (or maybe I have, but I wouldn't know without specifics).
Here's an example of a BBC video where they visit a school in Xinjiang and misrepresent everything.
Bro if China wanted to genocide the uighers (why would they btw) why would they explicitly exempt them from their previous one child policy? Why has the uigher population steadily increased like consistently?
Are they just doing a genocide very badly? Seems stupid to believe in imo
Millions of people who have never been convicted of a crime forced out of their homes and into a walled city
Not allowed to leave
Access to food, water, fuel, and medical supplies throttled to the point where they are now in a full-blown famine
Murdered indiscriminately with no recourse
It was never not a concentration camp.
Exactly,
%
We need to make a word just for israel so it's like when you make a country in the wake of the holocaust but you do the holocaust again only this time you're the ones doing it so it's okay to the western world.
Zionist
Foucault's Doomerang is the best I've got.
To be fair, the Western powers/ruling class were fine with the Holocaust before the war started because Nazi Germany was actively anti-communist. They only really got involved because of obligations with allies in europe that got invaded. Before the war started, both Britain and America both rejected masses of Jewish refugees escaping persecution, while the USSR accepted them in droves.
Kkkanada too
They were fine with holocaust even in 1943, read about Jan Karski mission, he brought the proof to collective elites of politics, business and showbusiness of UK and USA and the response was overwhelming crickets.
More like capitalize on the most vulnerable population in the world at the time and do nothing to punish the perpetrators of their genocide besides kidnapping some Nazis on the run and not the ones running western institutions. Germany is spared.
The Holocaust TM narrative and anti-communism has always been leveraged by Israel to distort history and lure Jews into their military base masquerading as a society.
Circular holocaust
Just workshopping: Challahcaust?
I'm totally copping that. LMAO
"Israel" established secret concentration camps for Palestinians in 1971: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT.MAGAZINE-israel-secretly-detained-innocent-palestinians-in-desert-camps-in-1971-1.10050775
The Israeli swastika is anti-clockwise not clockwise and the arm band is vermillion not red how dare you make that anti-Semitic comparison.
Never again huh? Unlimited October 7's on the zionist entity
"But but innocent music festival goers!"
Here is a link to the CNN article referenced in the OP.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html
This reads like Abu Ghraib all over again. Then you get to the part about the field hospital and it somehow becomes even worse. Absolutely harrowing.
Zionazi scum.
When they said never again they were referring to the pajamas being striped, okay.
The depravity of Israelis and Zionists really are bottomless.
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It was going to leak anyways. Israel pretty much live streams genocide so why not just report it.
Holy turntables, Batman!
Concentration camps were where women and children non-combatants were housed in the Boer War.
These are death camps.
Balkanise Israel
Into one singular state called Palestine