Jesus christ can radlib americans please fuck off and stick to fucking up every movement in your own country please?
People in the UK use this entirely differently and demanding that people in OTHER COUNTRIES use it in an identical way to americans is utterly absurd. It hasn't been used that way in the UK, it is not attached to black-ness.
Americans do this shit because they act like culture and politics in every country in the world are identical to their own and genuinely do not give a fuck about learning any distinct differences in conditions from place to place.
Like seriously what the fuck is wrong with this person? There is absolutely zero need to divide anyone on this, a person has died and there needs to be outrage about that. Demanding that certain tactics be reserved for x identity group is fucking bizarre to me. Imagine if LGBT people had said "No you can't use flags those are reserved specifically for LGBT people only and any other identity group using flags is anti-LGBT. Fuck off no you can't be part of LGBT."
Like fuck. It's nonsensical, it's literally just divisive. Fuck off.
My message to ALL the oppressed is "Yes, you can be my comrade, come and stand with me in this line against the shieldwall. We are all in this together."
There is absolutely nothing else that needs to be considered here. People trying to divide that are fucking scum. This is just an effort to pull black support out of this outrage.
Thank fuck we don't atomise all our minority groups in this country. BAME is intended to be one group, fighting together, much like LGBT. Not separate tiny groups with no power because they're simply not large enough to achieve anything alone.
Not to mention that black communities in the UK do not share the same cultural history of slavery.
I never said they were. We have our own creations from people that risk their lives to even make an attempt at inclusion. Ironically, it's usually white Latin Americans using Latinx while everyone else uses latine.
I actually met a latine trans person in discord who was really insistent that latino isn't enby exclusive because "linguistic gender isnt the same as regular gender" or something to that effect. Me and another white american argued against this idea and then the admin of the server scolded us for speaking over a trans latine person. Fun times.
Obviously its not the exact same but I've met way too many trans people from countries with linguistic gender who hate it to think that there's no relationship at all.
Keep in mind this person was arguing this with the intent that "Spanish doesnt need a gender neutral option for non-binary people from latin america, latino is fine." (also arguing that only "First generation immigrant latinos" care about this and people from her home country of Venezuala do not and find it bizzare, which is just a stupid argument to me like why should that mean that a gender neutral option isn't necessary lol?). She, a binary trans person btw, was arguing that nonbinary latine people shouldn't push for a gender neutral option and that latine is just as much of an imposition as latinx.
This is a term made up by linguists. And they don't even use it much any more because of exactly this misconception. It's mostly called noun class now.
I'm sorry to inform you that it basically is not related to human gender at all. It is a grammatical category, not a semantic one. We call them gender because in the European languages that early linguists were going off of, words either fell in the group that men or women (or neuter) also fell into. And it's true that the words in those categories have "gender" (in the sense that they share that grammatical grouping) the objects they refer to are emphatically not gendered. Case in point: the French word for vagina is in the masculine noun class. Does that mean French speakers view vaginas as a masculine body part? No. It's literally just a grammatical structure.
English speakers have it all fucked up because we only have gender on personal pronouns. Other than pronouns, English words have lost noun classes (and conjugation). For us, the very few words with gender always have a referent that matches that gender. That's an artifact of the streamlining of English morphology. It tells us nothing about how grammatical gender operates in Romance languages.
From my understanding Latinx is believed to be a largely Puerto Rican invention.
There's a few different possible origins
Some historians trace its usage to protests across Latin America in the 1990s, when activists would cross out the o in gendered words (unidxs versus unidos, Mexicanxs versus Mexicanos). Others have recorded it as far back as Latin American feminist protests in the 1970s. Academics and leftists on Twitter have claimed that the term originated in trans communities in Brazil or Puerto Rico, but concrete evidence is hard to come by.
Spanish doesn't use the X often otherwise so coming from bilingual Hispanics in Puerto Rico/Brazil or a non linguistic source seems the most reasonable to me. Would also make sense why it caught more in the US too instead of the rest of Latin America if it's Puerto Rican considering their dialect of Spanish is very Americanized to begin with.
That being said of course, Puerto Rican Spanish is 100% valid Spanish. It's certainly a much more American type of Spanish but different dialects are not more or less "real".
Thank you for showing me that. I'm not one of those purists who dismisses Puerto Ricans dialect because of how Americanized they are. I'm also sorry that I was dismissive in my original post. Latinx is a controversial thing depending on where in LatAm you are. The Northern Triangle where I live is one such case where it's largely recognized as American because we hear it mostly from Americans and people here that got their education in the United States or Canada.
We're also much more conservative compared to the rest of LatAm and can be behind with these things, so it's nice to learn when the opportunity comes.
Jesus christ can radlib americans please fuck off and stick to fucking up every movement in your own country please?
People in the UK use this entirely differently and demanding that people in OTHER COUNTRIES use it in an identical way to americans is utterly absurd. It hasn't been used that way in the UK, it is not attached to black-ness.
Americans do this shit because they act like culture and politics in every country in the world are identical to their own and genuinely do not give a fuck about learning any distinct differences in conditions from place to place.
deleted by creator
Radlibs: Please stop. Thank you.
Like seriously what the fuck is wrong with this person? There is absolutely zero need to divide anyone on this, a person has died and there needs to be outrage about that. Demanding that certain tactics be reserved for x identity group is fucking bizarre to me. Imagine if LGBT people had said "No you can't use flags those are reserved specifically for LGBT people only and any other identity group using flags is anti-LGBT. Fuck off no you can't be part of LGBT."
Like fuck. It's nonsensical, it's literally just divisive. Fuck off.
deleted by creator
My message to ALL the oppressed is "Yes, you can be my comrade, come and stand with me in this line against the shieldwall. We are all in this together."
There is absolutely nothing else that needs to be considered here. People trying to divide that are fucking scum. This is just an effort to pull black support out of this outrage.
Thank fuck we don't atomise all our minority groups in this country. BAME is intended to be one group, fighting together, much like LGBT. Not separate tiny groups with no power because they're simply not large enough to achieve anything alone.
Not to mention that black communities in the UK do not share the same cultural history of slavery.
Pretty much summed up Latinx lmao
deleted by creator
I never said they were. We have our own creations from people that risk their lives to even make an attempt at inclusion. Ironically, it's usually white Latin Americans using Latinx while everyone else uses latine.
I actually met a latine trans person in discord who was really insistent that latino isn't enby exclusive because "linguistic gender isnt the same as regular gender" or something to that effect. Me and another white american argued against this idea and then the admin of the server scolded us for speaking over a trans latine person. Fun times.
It really is not and you were right to be corrected
Obviously its not the exact same but I've met way too many trans people from countries with linguistic gender who hate it to think that there's no relationship at all.
Keep in mind this person was arguing this with the intent that "Spanish doesnt need a gender neutral option for non-binary people from latin america, latino is fine." (also arguing that only "First generation immigrant latinos" care about this and people from her home country of Venezuala do not and find it bizzare, which is just a stupid argument to me like why should that mean that a gender neutral option isn't necessary lol?). She, a binary trans person btw, was arguing that nonbinary latine people shouldn't push for a gender neutral option and that latine is just as much of an imposition as latinx.
deleted by creator
This is a term made up by linguists. And they don't even use it much any more because of exactly this misconception. It's mostly called noun class now.
I hope you are joking
deleted by creator
I'm sorry to inform you that it basically is not related to human gender at all. It is a grammatical category, not a semantic one. We call them gender because in the European languages that early linguists were going off of, words either fell in the group that men or women (or neuter) also fell into. And it's true that the words in those categories have "gender" (in the sense that they share that grammatical grouping) the objects they refer to are emphatically not gendered. Case in point: the French word for vagina is in the masculine noun class. Does that mean French speakers view vaginas as a masculine body part? No. It's literally just a grammatical structure.
English speakers have it all fucked up because we only have gender on personal pronouns. Other than pronouns, English words have lost noun classes (and conjugation). For us, the very few words with gender always have a referent that matches that gender. That's an artifact of the streamlining of English morphology. It tells us nothing about how grammatical gender operates in Romance languages.
deleted by creator
From my understanding Latinx is believed to be a largely Puerto Rican invention.
There's a few different possible origins
Spanish doesn't use the X often otherwise so coming from bilingual Hispanics in Puerto Rico/Brazil or a non linguistic source seems the most reasonable to me. Would also make sense why it caught more in the US too instead of the rest of Latin America if it's Puerto Rican considering their dialect of Spanish is very Americanized to begin with.
That being said of course, Puerto Rican Spanish is 100% valid Spanish. It's certainly a much more American type of Spanish but different dialects are not more or less "real".
Thank you for showing me that. I'm not one of those purists who dismisses Puerto Ricans dialect because of how Americanized they are. I'm also sorry that I was dismissive in my original post. Latinx is a controversial thing depending on where in LatAm you are. The Northern Triangle where I live is one such case where it's largely recognized as American because we hear it mostly from Americans and people here that got their education in the United States or Canada.
We're also much more conservative compared to the rest of LatAm and can be behind with these things, so it's nice to learn when the opportunity comes.