https://twitter.com/disrupthehuman/status/1625535715877478401
Jesus christ can radlib americans please fuck off and stick to fucking up every movement in your own country please?
People in the UK use this entirely differently and demanding that people in OTHER COUNTRIES use it in an identical way to americans is utterly absurd. It hasn't been used that way in the UK, it is not attached to black-ness.
Americans do this shit because they act like culture and politics in every country in the world are identical to their own and genuinely do not give a fuck about learning any distinct differences in conditions from place to place.
Radlibs: Please stop. Thank you.
Like seriously what the fuck is wrong with this person? There is absolutely zero need to divide anyone on this, a person has died and there needs to be outrage about that. Demanding that certain tactics be reserved for x identity group is fucking bizarre to me. Imagine if LGBT people had said "No you can't use flags those are reserved specifically for LGBT people only and any other identity group using flags is anti-LGBT. Fuck off no you can't be part of LGBT."
Like fuck. It's nonsensical, it's literally just divisive. Fuck off.
My message to ALL the oppressed is "Yes, you can be my comrade, come and stand with me in this line against the shieldwall. We are all in this together."
There is absolutely nothing else that needs to be considered here. People trying to divide that are fucking scum. This is just an effort to pull black support out of this outrage.
Thank fuck we don't atomise all our minority groups in this country. BAME is intended to be one group, fighting together, much like LGBT. Not separate tiny groups with no power because they're simply not large enough to achieve anything alone.
Not to mention that black communities in the UK do not share the same cultural history of slavery.
I never said they were. We have our own creations from people that risk their lives to even make an attempt at inclusion. Ironically, it's usually white Latin Americans using Latinx while everyone else uses latine.
I actually met a latine trans person in discord who was really insistent that latino isn't enby exclusive because "linguistic gender isnt the same as regular gender" or something to that effect. Me and another white american argued against this idea and then the admin of the server scolded us for speaking over a trans latine person. Fun times.
linguistic gender isnt the same as regular gender
It really is not and you were right to be corrected
Obviously its not the exact same but I've met way too many trans people from countries with linguistic gender who hate it to think that there's no relationship at all.
Keep in mind this person was arguing this with the intent that "Spanish doesnt need a gender neutral option for non-binary people from latin america, latino is fine." (also arguing that only "First generation immigrant latinos" care about this and people from her home country of Venezuala do not and find it bizzare, which is just a stupid argument to me like why should that mean that a gender neutral option isn't necessary lol?). She, a binary trans person btw, was arguing that nonbinary latine people shouldn't push for a gender neutral option and that latine is just as much of an imposition as latinx.
it’s literally both called gender.
This is a term made up by linguists. And they don't even use it much any more because of exactly this misconception. It's mostly called noun class now.
you are gendering the chair.
I hope you are joking
I'm sorry to inform you that it basically is not related to human gender at all. It is a grammatical category, not a semantic one. We call them gender because in the European languages that early linguists were going off of, words either fell in the group that men or women (or neuter) also fell into. And it's true that the words in those categories have "gender" (in the sense that they share that grammatical grouping) the objects they refer to are emphatically not gendered. Case in point: the French word for vagina is in the masculine noun class. Does that mean French speakers view vaginas as a masculine body part? No. It's literally just a grammatical structure.
English speakers have it all fucked up because we only have gender on personal pronouns. Other than pronouns, English words have lost noun classes (and conjugation). For us, the very few words with gender always have a referent that matches that gender. That's an artifact of the streamlining of English morphology. It tells us nothing about how grammatical gender operates in Romance languages.
From my understanding Latinx is believed to be a largely Puerto Rican invention.
There's a few different possible origins
Some historians trace its usage to protests across Latin America in the 1990s, when activists would cross out the o in gendered words (unidxs versus unidos, Mexicanxs versus Mexicanos). Others have recorded it as far back as Latin American feminist protests in the 1970s. Academics and leftists on Twitter have claimed that the term originated in trans communities in Brazil or Puerto Rico, but concrete evidence is hard to come by.
Spanish doesn't use the X often otherwise so coming from bilingual Hispanics in Puerto Rico/Brazil or a non linguistic source seems the most reasonable to me. Would also make sense why it caught more in the US too instead of the rest of Latin America if it's Puerto Rican considering their dialect of Spanish is very Americanized to begin with.
That being said of course, Puerto Rican Spanish is 100% valid Spanish. It's certainly a much more American type of Spanish but different dialects are not more or less "real".
Thank you for showing me that. I'm not one of those purists who dismisses Puerto Ricans dialect because of how Americanized they are. I'm also sorry that I was dismissive in my original post. Latinx is a controversial thing depending on where in LatAm you are. The Northern Triangle where I live is one such case where it's largely recognized as American because we hear it mostly from Americans and people here that got their education in the United States or Canada.
We're also much more conservative compared to the rest of LatAm and can be behind with these things, so it's nice to learn when the opportunity comes.
Seems like "Say her name" is an appropriate thing to say when a girl is misgendered and deadnamed in the media after being murdered. We want them to say Her Name. Her real one.
Can't imagine what an awful person it takes to immediately have this reaction at an outpouring of support for a murdered child.child is murdered in a probable hate crime "well whats important here is that we police what words you use to honor her"
No see the transphobic pedophile law enforcers say its not a hate crime, despite nationally top down transphobia being the norm, so it couldn't possibly be a hate crime.
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this is proof that there are no actual leftists on twitter
This is just clout chasing from terminally online weirdos. It's not only what you say and how you say it that's important, but when you say it that matters as well.
As for the original tweet, yes, she has a point. There's a pervasive pattern of white people appropriating AAE without understanding or acknowledging its origins. It already happened with "Rest in power," which was originally supposed to be reserved for Black revolutionaries who were martyred by the white supremacist state (Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, George Jackson, and so on), being uttered for agents of the white supremacist state like RBG.
Having said that, there's the elephant in the room, which is of course the fact that she would air her misgivings on Twitter before the coffin is even lowered to the ground, which is completely heinous.
I agree that Rest in Power shouldn't be used for RGB obviously but I disagree that it shouldn't be used for Heather Heyer because she's white or whatever. I'd say its appropriate to use for anyone who lived their lives for revolutionary values or was died in the face of oppression (thereby justifying its use for someone like George Floyd, who wasnt a revolutionary). Therefor I would think it appropriate for use in Brianna's case, as a hate crime victim.
Saying that its use should be reserved for a specific minority (and from the research I've done, the idea that it was first used for black people is... not necessarily accurate, same with "Say his/her name") just seems like pointless atomization of oppressed groups and the territory of radlibs.
Obviously I should check the fact that I'm white here, but again I've looked this stuff up and both phrases' history doesn't necessarily back up the idea that they were originally AAVE anyway.
In terms of "Rest in power," Black-led orgs already use it on people who aren't Black like Che and Ho, so its use already moved beyond just martyred Black revolutionaries. Saying "rest in power" to someone like John Brown wouldn't attract the ire of most Black people who aren't terminally online weirdos because Black revolutionaries like Malcolm X already acknowledge the sacrifice a white dude like Brown played towards Black liberation.
And as for "say her name," you already see Indigenous activists involved in combating MMIW use it as well. And I haven't seen any Black-led org condemn a documentary about MMIW titled Say Her Name. So why did she ignore the use of Indigenous women activists who use "say her name?" Because she's a clout chasing terminally online weirdo who understands that shitting on Indigenous women trying to stop themselves from getting kidnapped and killed would be bad for her online brand.
For some reason though throwing a murdered trans femme child under the bus for clout isn't bad for her online brand?
The brand is not about being right, it's about being self-righteous
And rest in power is still said for people who are murder by the state for reasons other than being a revolutionary. George Floyd wasn't a revolutionary leader, he was just a guy trying to exist as a black man in amerikkka. But even that was enough for police to murder him.
Anything that sounds strong and stirring and cool is going to be appropriated because it is strong and stirring and cool. Then overuse and trivialization waters the terminology down until it comes across as trite and saccharine.
But even past that, when all you've got on the internet are a bunch of language cops and fed-jacketers, what the fuck do we even care how language is being used? If you reserve certain phrases as terms of respect for black revolutionaries, but there is no longer a black revolution within which to celebrate martyrs to the cause, why should anyone care?
Appropriation can be a gateway to radicalization when you begin to associate your own immediate peers with figures of revolutionary struggle. But if there's nobody left to emulate except the terminally online and the grifters... You can't just keep going back to the Malcolm X and Fred Hampton well forever.
I absolutely detest people who think that because they face one form of oppression they think theirs is the only real oppression and can't be bigoted. From cis gay men who express hate for trans gay men because "vagina bad," to terfs who cloak their hate in women's rights, to white queer people who have a blindspot for their own racism to this motherfucker. Being evil and saying you're good angers me more than evil that makes itself known. Am I wrong in this?
If you're in a oppreessed class and exclusively care about your own group while denigrating all others you're basically no different from a cishet white bourg complaining about the wokes
There is a black trans woman from the UK upset at her in the comments
https://twitter.com/sjvbing/status/1625901565725880330 Holy fucking shit
This is an incredibly patient response and then to see the reply....
https://twitter.com/disrupthehuman/status/1625548742760841242
This has to be an op
Worse, according to them, there are no non white queer people and queer rights only affect white people. The idea that the death of a white trans woman could engender changes that would help non white trans women is impossible, instetsectionality doesn't exist and solidarity is pointless we all must be individiated brands protecting our IP..... I feel sick typing that out.
i am going to get a big hammer, name it solidarity, and use it to beat understanding into the skulls of people like this
I don't know any group more supportive of black rights than trans people, ignoring the fact that there are black trans people1. Tone policing, because that's what this is, seems to be incredibly counter productive, and the fact that this jackass has terfs responding to her deadnaming and misgendering the victim with limited pushback is just proof that their whole point is counter productive.
- I find the erasure of black, and to be blunt all non white trans people, and queer people in general, incredibly infuriating. Like I am in an extremely multiracial area and every meetup/support group always has a diverse representation of our community. The erasure of non white queer people in general is a deliberate tactic to paint queer issues as "white people shit" and actively engender racist division against us. It is also incredibly disgusting because those people most hurt by anti queer legislation and social norms are non white. Us white queers can often build bubbles of protection around us that less privileged people can't. Like I got insurance that covers my needs through my job, but if your on Medicaid your fucked. God I hate this infighting over nothing bullshit.
Honestly I think the fact that Tumisha and allies haven't pushed back against the transphobes misgendering Brianna at all is the biggest tell here.
I'm not a fan of the people using this hashtag to post ASHLI FUCKING BABBIT, least of all :agony-shivering:
