• chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Rather than effective measures, like lockdowns, quality masks, retrofitting buildings for minimum required ventilation, UV light filtration of indoor air... We got the neoliberal solution: A publicly financed, privately-owned medical product that doesn't stop transmission or pandemic/endemic disease in humans, but can be used as a bludgeon to get people back to work and stop caring.

      I've talked about my clinical data background, proximity to the COVID vaccine programme in the past. I've always made sure to source everything well, as I've done for client sponsors whose COVID medical products are on the market (I did have a removed post in the modlog ~6 weeks back which had an interesting photo).

      If a shot is outdated, not specific to the strain of the virus circulating most widely in humans, that's what it will do. As first observed by UK HSA in their vaccine surveillance report Week 42 (below): Inhibit your body’s ability to synthesize antibodies which are effective against the strain you were exposed to. That's just because of the philosophy of all vaccines produced and administered anywhere in the world thus far (mRNA, adenovirus, DNA, spike conjugated TT - whatever, doesn't matter) only have genetic material from the most rapidly mutating spike protein, subunit S1. The shots being administered until Omicron-specific boosters were produced imprinted the patient's immune system with a memory of the S1 protein isolated in Wuhan in 2019, despite the Delta strain being by far the most prominent at the time it was being recommended to everyone except children (or even required by OSHA for all employees working for firms with >100 employees).

      https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf (page 23):

      Seropositivity estimates for N antibody will underestimate the proportion of the population previously infected due to (i) blood donors are potentially less likely to be exposed to natural infection than age matched individuals in the general population (ii) waning of the N antibody response over time and (iii) recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination.

      When it comes to beta or alphacoronaviruses, there's always surveillance of spike protein (S) and nucleocapsid (N, also nucleoprotein) antibodies. It would have been obvious to regulators that this were a risk, since it's a coronavirus, but luckily really well done studies in Italy controlling for other factors found those with antibodies for endemic seasonal coronaviruses had worse outcomes from COVID-19 infections: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33915711/

      None of this is to suggest vaccines aren't useful, absolutely should have been recommended to the elderly or those at risk of severe illness or death, but for most younger or otherwise healthier people you'd be less likely to have repeat infections after surviving infection or waiting for an updated vaccine, ideally on a quality platform that accounts for genetic drift, without a previously imprinted immune response targeting a previous version of the virus. Research should have been primarily on long COVID after at least Oct 2021, so that we could make a real assessment.

    • happybadger [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      :kitty-cri-texas: y'all its full of nucleic ACID. it's gonna burn yer dang teeth out and give ya radiation poisonin'.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I asked a relative if he and his immediate family had been vaccinated

    he condescendingly tried to explain to me what antibodies were, and that he didn't need the vaccine because his whole family had already gotten COVID

    :picard:

  • Sicko [any]
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    2 years ago

    they drew a dick on that bull, nice

  • Phish [he/him, any]
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    2 years ago

    It's kind of wild how much traction anti-vax is getting. I have friends who are suburban libs who have been casually hinting that the vaccine is killing people. I don't know what to say to them at this point. The propaganda is worryingly effective.

    • chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      In part it's because they were lied to and gaslit, I'm not shocked at all. As soon as I saw Walensky, Dir. CDC, in the media and on TV, as well as Biden, claiming that vaccination was a no-brainer, no chance of infection, I was floored. That wasn't at all what the data indicated, not even the sponsors themselves were making the claim, their FDA submissions certainly did not...

      I have no idea what motivated this decision to lie, whether they correctly anticipated the liberal denials around the deficiencies in the medical products produced, or what. It was correctly called out as false at the time, even by mainstream fact checkers, but vastly fewer people paid attention to those clarifications than the original statements.

      "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials but it's also in real-world data," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told Rachel Maddow on Monday, March 29. Walensky was describing the results of a new CDC study of vaccinated Americans, which found that they not only did not suffer from COVID-19, but also did not carry the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes it – and, by extension, are very unlikely to spread it to other people.

      • https://archive.is/8rjkp#selection-2124.0-2124.5 / https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/