• Montagge@lemmy.zip
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    6 months ago

    I want the war to end with Russia fucking off out of Ukraine

    Edit: I didn't realize this was imperialismbear.net. My bad.

    • Maoo [none/use name]
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      6 months ago

      Edit: I didn't realize I'd receive pushback on ideas I can't defend. Better find a way to be condescending to save face during my cowardly exit.

      • SexUnderSocialism [she/her]
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        6 months ago

        Hitting us with this epic own instead of actually engaging us in good faith. It's standard lemmitor behavior at this point.

          • Montagge@lemmy.zip
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            6 months ago

            Libs are well known for thinking countries shouldn't be invaded by other countries

            Look at all these swings and misses lol

            • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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              6 months ago

              Libs are well known for thinking countries shouldn't be invaded by other countries

              "A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now."

            • Alaskaball [comrade/them]MA
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              6 months ago

              Libs are well known for thinking countries shouldn't be invaded by other countries

              Is that why Obama sent my friends to invade Syria?

            • Staines [they/them]
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              6 months ago

              Countries shouldn't bomb what is ostensibly their own civilian population either.

            • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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              6 months ago

              Libs thought Afghanistan and Iraq should be invaded until they turned out to be disasters. Then they were always against it.

              While technically not an invasion I guess, libs also cheered for the bombing of Libya and killing of Gaddafi because soypoint-1 wow, Arab Spring!

            • Alaskaball [comrade/them]MA
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              6 months ago

              Lmao look at this little worm try to make snide little unnoticeable edits after getting nailed harder than the twin towers instead of having a bit of steel in their spine and actually replying to people

              Picture perfect exhibition of the smuglord mentality

      • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]
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        6 months ago

        Honestly, even trying to put myself in the mindset of a 100% "Slava Ukraini!" person, I don't get the opposition to even HAVING peace talks. If Russia gives you shit terms at the talks you can just refuse them, it's not like having talks means you have to capitulate totally, that's called surrendering, not peace talks.

        And it probably would have been way more advantageous for Ukraine to have these talks early when US support was more solid and it wasn't totally clear who was gonna win yet.

        • BeamBrain [he/him]
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          6 months ago

          Honestly, even trying to put myself in the mindset of a 100% "Slava Ukraini!" person, I don't get the opposition to even HAVING peace talks.

          Fascism is the death drive.

        • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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          6 months ago

          And it probably would have been way more advantageous for Ukraine to have these talks early when US support was more solid and it wasn't totally clear who was gonna win yet.

          bojo Sorry, we can't have that.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      6 months ago

      how did you feel about the 2014 coup orchestrated by the USA, was that cool and good

    • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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      6 months ago

      Ukraine only wanted eastern Ukraine for the ethnic cleansing, so nah. Russia gets to keep what they took. If Z wasn't such a CIA asset maybe he would have negotiated to keep from throwing soldiers into the meat grinder. On the other hand, cocaine for dead soldiers is a pretty good deal.

    • NewLeaf
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      6 months ago

      reddit-logo ass take. Now call us tankies

      • QuietCupcake [any, they/them]
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        6 months ago

        I think they saw your comment and started to panic, knowing that if they called us tankies they would look owned because of yor prescient prediction. But then clarity cut through their panic and they came up with the most clever, nay brilliant epithet anyone has ever conjured:

        Imperialismbear.net.

        And it is we who have been owned ooooooooooooooh walter-breakdown

        They walk away now, knowing we have been put in our place, smiling to themselves and thinking only "swish!" smuglord

    • frippa@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      This is the tankie wing of the site, you may like PPB (pretty politically better) more.

      Link

    • T34_69 [none/use name]
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      6 months ago

      Here's an interview with Vijay Prashad, a Marxist scholar who understands the core of world geopolitics, dismantling the idea that Russia-Ukraine is an inter-imperialist conflict: https://youtu.be/pwuatE-3Q5c?t=27m43s

      He is very historically literate, being someone who has studied history professionally and applies Leninism to understanding the underlying processes at work. Consider the possibility that you're using terms you don't understand. You won't get very far in describing the world accurately if you don't understand imperialism as Lenin described it in his time, let alone the "hyper-imperialist" system we have today with one supreme world hegemon, which is not Russia or China.

      Those countries are defensive powers without imperialist ambitions, Prashad argues. America is the one that has hundreds of military bases across the globe and goes around provoking its designated enemies, such as installing a pro-NATO fascist government in Ukraine. Even if you don't like what I'm saying, like it hurts your feelings or you just don't care, I highly recommend watching the whole 40-ish minute talk Prashad gives in that video, it's a fantastic summation of the world we live in. He also critiques the way a lot of Marxists are analyzing imperialism, so you can't really say his take is dogmatic. Like don't just fuck off back to your own instance without at least looking at the material we're giving you, you might even learn something.

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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      6 months ago

      The people of Donbass and Crimea send their regards, they'll never again suffer Banderite barrages and death squads, EVER

      Stay mad nazi lover :)

    • duderium [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      Why don’t you sign up for the Bazinga Brigade and fight for Zelensky in Ukraine?

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      really a shining example of how reflexive anti-violence can be used to justify anything you want with sufficient framing and cut-off points for when you decide to start analyzing events

      "well gee whiz, I have started paying attention to this issue from today onwards with an abject refusal to read even a paragraph of history and it looks like Group A has marched in to commit violence against Group B. this must be the exact same as when Group X marched in to commit violence against Group Y a few decades ago and the consensus was that Group X was bad, so therefore Group A is also bad!"

      works with Russia invading Ukraine, and indeed Hamas doing October 7th. all you need is some bizarre overoveroversimplification that imperialism = violence in any capacity and you have yourself an extremely confused left-winger who starts supporting Nazi-infested NATO.

      a country like Russia can be so committed to finding some kind of peace that they try and negotiate with the West for eight fucking years while the West is visibly piling troops and equipment into Ukraine and bombarding the Donbass with artillery, and yet when things finally snap, Russia is the most bloodthirsty warmongerer on the face of the planet and Putin is personally responsible for every single bad thing that happens for the decade afterwards, up to and including the results of every Western election, even ones in the past. meanwhile, the US invades Iraq on such flimsy pretenses that even the word "pretenses" is an absurd word to use and their global punishment is what exactly? oh, the endless streams of countries sanctioning the US and banning George Bush from entering their countries! oh, no worries though, you and the rest of the liberals opposed it. a decade or two after it happened instead of at the time, of course, but you got there in the end. oh, we're all so enlightened and anti-violence and anti-invasions now. here's a gold star, you fucking weasel.

      there's only one cure for this and it's to read a book. luckily, Lenin's Imperialism is right there.

    • robinnn
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      6 months ago

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