So I don't watch TLOU, but based on the screenshots, it seemed like there wasn't any ideology behind it. Just a bunch of post-apocalyptic libs living together communaly?
My impression was that the tlou communists' ideology was something akin to "we all have a better chance of survival and comfort if we work together, so let's design our society to be as fair as possible in navigating the tradeoff between what we provide eachother and what we demand from eachother"
which, like, if you approach that optimization problem dialectically, I think you do arrive at communism in a lot of environments
This plus characters calling FEDRA "fascists" are the most political statements the show has made. Even with the KC revolutionaries they kept their ideology deliberately vague beyond labels on their trucks of "WE THE PEOPLE" which gave me the distinct vibe they were incoherently populist or even CHUDs.
The line that jumped out at me from ep 3 was when Frank and Bill were arguing and Frank's like "you keep talking about how the government are all fascists" and Bill is like "the government ARE all fascists" and Frank is like "but they weren't back then!"
Like yeah, faced with an outbreak the totally nonfascist government sprung into action to shoot fleeing survivors and round up those who stayed in their homes to either transfer them to ghettos or murder them if there wasn't enough space. The government of those ghettos then became fascist over a period of 20 years.
In the show’s timeline, George Bush and Dick Cheney are still in office when the pandemic hits. You bet your ass they tortured patient zero for funsies
from the limited info in the show it seems more like the american demsoc's ideal endpoint, but without having to somehow vote in socialism bc the revolution (mushroom human extinction) already happened
which is 100% what the closest material equivalent to communism in the post-post-apocalypse would look like with america's brainworms
It really seemed like anarchism. Small, elected council holds small amount of power and everyone works together for mutual benefit. I'm no anarchist but in a post-apocalyptic setting it seems nice.
So I don't watch TLOU, but based on the screenshots, it seemed like there wasn't any ideology behind it. Just a bunch of post-apocalyptic libs living together communaly?
My impression was that the tlou communists' ideology was something akin to "we all have a better chance of survival and comfort if we work together, so let's design our society to be as fair as possible in navigating the tradeoff between what we provide eachother and what we demand from eachother"
which, like, if you approach that optimization problem dialectically, I think you do arrive at communism in a lot of environments
This plus characters calling FEDRA "fascists" are the most political statements the show has made. Even with the KC revolutionaries they kept their ideology deliberately vague beyond labels on their trucks of "WE THE PEOPLE" which gave me the distinct vibe they were incoherently populist or even CHUDs.
The line that jumped out at me from ep 3 was when Frank and Bill were arguing and Frank's like "you keep talking about how the government are all fascists" and Bill is like "the government ARE all fascists" and Frank is like "but they weren't back then!"
Like yeah, faced with an outbreak the totally nonfascist government sprung into action to shoot fleeing survivors and round up those who stayed in their homes to either transfer them to ghettos or murder them if there wasn't enough space. The government of those ghettos then became fascist over a period of 20 years.
In the show’s timeline, George Bush and Dick Cheney are still in office when the pandemic hits. You bet your ass they tortured patient zero for funsies
from the limited info in the show it seems more like the american demsoc's ideal endpoint, but without having to somehow vote in socialism bc the revolution (mushroom human extinction) already happened
which is 100% what the closest material equivalent to communism in the post-post-apocalypse would look like with america's brainworms
Yep
It really seemed like anarchism. Small, elected council holds small amount of power and everyone works together for mutual benefit. I'm no anarchist but in a post-apocalyptic setting it seems nice.