• Tachanka [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    in america every cop has a fucking camera on their chest but they turn it off before they shoot people or plant drugs on them. often the only reason we find out about police brutality in amerikkka is because of surveillance cams in public. maybe surveillance is actually good because it can be used to hold powerful people accountable. Maybe every fucking president, senator, congressman, lobbyist, judge, corporate lawyer, cop, troop and other bourgeois scumbag should be surveilled at all times, with cameras that can't be turned off. that is, if we're going to be forced to tolerate them continuing to exist in the first place. :xigma-male:

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Every home has a high def motion activated camera that feeds directly to the local police, sometimes multiple!

      • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        I fucking hate those Ring doorbells, I have to assume they make people even more paranoid. One of my customers called his neighbor to investigate a couple guys walking around out front, they definitely looked shady with their high vis vests as they stood next to their truck with a county decal on the door.

    • MaoistLandlord [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Cops are armed with sticks when patrolling the streets in many places, including places like china, Vietnam, and china

  • Huitzilopochtli [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Who gives a fuck about cameras? Ancient-ass surveillance tech in a world where the paradigm is backdoored miniaturized computers that see all of your online interactions, uploads every picture you take, records everywhere you go via GPS, and is always listening to the environment around it. Everyone carries one and basically has to. And the USA is at the forefront of surveillance of this kind. The idea that any other kind of surveillance works as anything other than a forensic tool for after an incident already occurred, or anything more than bonus data is at best naive and in many cases knowing obfuscation.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I'm pretty sure half the cameras in the world are in London but go off random estimator people.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    There are 209.86 cameras per square mile in London.

    But Chyyyyyyna

  • The_Walkening [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Amazing. With the bullshit numbers, they estimate that there's like 4 cameras for every person in China whereas there's 1 for every 11 people in the UK (widely regarded as the most surveiled people in the world, because they don't have any real constitutional right to privacy).

    https://clarionuk.com/resources/how-many-cctv-cameras-are-in-london/#:~:text=in%20the%20UK%3F-,Research%20by%20Clarion%20Security%20Systems%20estimates%20that%20there%20are%20over,(2022)

    Even if it was true (it's bullshit), there's also the difference in scale - how many people live outside cities (and therefore aren't likely to be aurveiled as much) in China vs the UK?

    • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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      Reminds me of the intro to Chongqing in Hitman 3 that rants at length about how heavy the surveillance is, describing it as the most surveilled place on earth with numbers that were very much below the actual, real numbers of the UK (also the map has no cameras except inside the CIA-expy facility and the CIA-expy drones flying around, for even more irony).

      It's fucking wild how deep the trend of taking a bad thing that the US or its allies openly, objectively does and then just transferring that to [bad country] wholesale runs throughout pop culture and the media. Hitman has another golden example of that in its backstory: Agent 47's creation is ascribed to a Soviet program to turn orphans into magical killing machines, with heavy eugenics and race science elements to it; notably the Soviets did not do anything of the sort, but those sorts of experiments were done by the US, if not that exact fictional program.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      That's 91 per 1000 in case anyone is wondering.

  • Vampire [any]
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    2 years ago

    Fuck CCTV, it's everyfuckingwhere now, has been for decades. I never feel like I can relax.

    Imagine how different and nice it'd be to go for a walk in a city where you know you're not being filmed every step of the way.

    Privacy activists focus on the post-9/11 inventions, but CCTV was a terrible privacy calamity of the 1980s and 1990s.

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Fuck CCTV, it’s everyfuckingwhere now, has been for decades. I never feel like I can relax.

      I feel the same way. My parents installed home security cameras and they can get a look into any room in the house on their phone, I tried to explain to them that they should at minimum take the cameras out of the kids' rooms because of how easy those video feeds are to hack but god damn I do not understand how they can feel comfortable in that house at all with that shit set up.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    because of limited transparency

    I'd say it's actually probably because of the sheer number of organizations that have a need for cameras and how every single one of them isn't registered in some database making counting them all incredibly difficult, but if you wanted to frame it as badly as possible you could call that "limited transparency" I guess.

  • Judge_Juche [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    You can literally disprove this by just going to China, which millions of people do each year, but seems impossible for western "analysts".

    Like I can say from experience that there aren't any more surveillance cameras there than in the US, with the sole exception of highways and roads where there are an ass-load of automated red light and speeding cameras. And frankly they have been a net positive becuase people are speeding less and most people are acutally following traffic rules, driving in China in the 00's was pretty scary sometimes.

  • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Okay, imagine if this were true. Okay, cool, now, assuming it's true, isn't that crazy?