Wait until they just kill everyone for no reason in the next episode lol
to be fair, Joel said that what they're [the communists] doing won't work in a larger society i.e. the pre-zombie US, so I don't think they were going for that. Not to mention the director made Chernobyl which slandered the USSR
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IIRC, in the first game the settlement gets raided lol. So that'll probably be painted as "THE COMMUNISTS ARE TOO WEAK TO FIGHT!!!"
But if I misremembered, then I guess he closest to advocating for communism in a mainstream, prestige TV show is "communism only works in communes"
but it won’t drive society forward like technological progress under capitalism
Why didn't the free market provide the space program when the USSR beat America into space? Also why did the USSR continue to hold nearly every accolade for being the first in space exploration and pushing the envelope of aerospace technology?
They're liberals they don't know any of that. The world began in
20032008201620192022.I agree that the USSR won the space race if we're counting pure number of achievements, but it's a bad argument to make because they're no longer around to defend it. Similarly to how Apple is not the first to do jack shit that pushes technology, they're very good at marketing their features as higher quality and innovative to the point that people either 1.) believe Apple did everything first or 2.) Apple didn't do it first, but they did it better than the ones who did it first
technological progress under capitalism
such nonsense. almost all the people i know working in tech are like 'ah yes, my job is bullshit, i wish i was working on something actually useful and not designing a widget to break in 2 days after someone buys it'
He takes a neutral stance, says something like back before, some people wanted to own everything, some wanted no one to own anything, she's asked where he was just trying to survive, its interesting because Joel perks up when he sees the job site and his brother, I. Think the show does a good job showing the power of the commune creating civilization again while Americanizing communism with the town being built like a old cowboy town with horses. I know there's problems with this depiction but I will take this win.
There is a minor jab in the “America was too big for communism to work” vein, but it’s definitely not propagandistic
It’s definitely more a “communism is when primitive communism / end stage communism,” rather than socialism with blank characteristics which, in its wrangling of the market, “overcomes” the scale issue
I mean having horses makes sense when there's no gasoline (or shouldn't be)
Horses need a shitload of food so I'd say it's a lot more likely people would be riding bikes.
I think it's possible that this director may be aware that this is about as far as they can go to fit communist stuff through door without the people with the money saying no to it. Given that they've now established a pattern of work that includes communism multiple times it has me wondering.
It apparently made people upset because a single character said "yes, we're communists" for 2 seconds which is extremely funny.
Not only that, it was a black, female communist correcting a red-blooded, male American!!!
It's honestly a pretty big deal to expose a lot of Americans to the concept like they did in the show. Regardless how what kind of mental gymnastics people will do, many people in small towns watching this show probably saw a familiar sense of community there and then wondered if they were communist themselves. The scene in the show is going to bring up semantic arguments (which conservatives revel in) and they will have to explain away why it isn't really communism or why it wont work on larger scale.
The single greatest way to get through to the average conservative is to destroy their sense of identity, and it is easier than it sounds. Simply telling them that you hate liberals too can suddenly detach a lot of their rehearsed defensiveness and talking points. If you show them things are not what they think they are, they become more open.
TWD show gets (justifiably) shit on a lot, and yet I can't help but feel that the comic catches strays just by association when it's actually rad as fuck. Later story arcs explicitly challenge pre-apocalypse liberal democracy and its consequences, and the good guys live in communes
I was actually just thinking about that scene this morning while pooping.
I read this at first as "this morning showering while pooping" for some reason and was mortified
