Because they’re running counter to big agribusiness and other evil government and corporate types, it piques my interest, but most of these people seem dangerously adjacent to “carnivore diet” weirdos. I’m vegan I’m not gonna use tallow dude. Coconut oil would be fine thanks.
Anyone smarter than me know the real score?
Nah, it's just the new bro science diet fad. Unless you're deep frying stuff every day it's not really a huge deal what fat you use to cook with. It's certainly not gonna make or break your diet. Most vegetable oils are probably even slightly healthier than "natural" fats like butter due to fat composition.
The Joe Rogan conspiracy theory of seed oils secretly being what's destroying people's health is obviously undocumented nonsense.
There’s no grift like the food grift. You can make a lifetime of money in a few months that way
I have celiacs and I distinctively remember the second gluten free became a fad the price of my groceries fucking doubled
This doctor does a breakdown in this video of a paper that came out last year and likely reignited this whole thing again. He provides references to other papers in his description and includes a breakdown of some basics on the impacts of excess saturated fat consumption.
TL;DR saturated fats are okay to eat but shouldn't exceed 10% of your caloric intake, the counter crusade against against unsaturated fats is likely based on poorly formulated studies (and imo may also be a crusade supported by the dairy industry to beat out butter alternatives).
Edit: what I'm getting from this video, and what is likely the source of the "vegetable oils bad" thing is that vegetable oils tend to be good sources of polyunsaturated fats like Omega 3 and 6 (which are good fats), but vegetable oil tends to be in a lot of junk food. People will then substitute their saturated fat intake with junk food, which coincidentally means they consume vegetable oils (polyunsaturated fat) together with trans fats and processed carbs.
Then some papers have not properly distinguished consumption of polyunsaturated fats straight from the source i.e. olive oil versus consumption from a mixed source i.e. junk food, and, therefore, end up incorrectly concluding that the replacement of saturated fats with unsaturated fats (polyunsaturated fats) is unhealthy on its face. When if they made the distinction, they would likely reach the same conclusion as other studies: replacing saturated fats with unsaturated fats (particularly polyunsaturated fats like Omega 3 and 6) results in better cardiovascular health.
If you are doing deep frying, unsaturated fats can isomerize into :trans-undertale: fats at high temperature, while saturated fats are more stable. For moderate temperature cooking, I think the science is pretty solid that liquid oils are better.
For oils or seeds that contain omega-3s, (chia, flax, canola) the lower the temperature the better.
Olive oil is pretty good for most uses. Use refined for frying, Virgin for slow roasting.
Palm oil (saturated but vegan) is bad for environmental/habitat and slave labor reasons. It’s hard to avoid in modern processed foods.
But deep frying is moderate temperature cooking. You always keep it below smoking.
Cooking with oil or a fat on a pan is usually hotter, pushing past 400F while deep frying is kept below 400F.
Also, polymerization is related to smoke point, with olive oil having a low one - as well as common fats.
I think products of the Maillard reaction act as catalysts to promote cis/trans isomerization at lower temperatures is different from smoke point
Maillard doesn't really make trans fats in any significant quantity, either. None of the above things do outside of choosing a very low smoke point oil, like flax (linoleic), which should really never be heated before eating.
Realistically, trans fats in food are primarily created through industrial processes and the best way to avoid them is to limit processed foods and artificially hydrogenated products like Crisco. Theoretically, Crisco has limited trans fat content, but I don't trust regulators to ensure their hydrogenation processes aren't making them in substantial quantities.
I’ve never seen a study showing negative health effects from cooking with motor oil
:im-vegan: too and I don't know about differences between individual sat/unsat fats but I think it still stands biologically that saturated fats stick to blood vessel walls and harden cell membranes, while unsaturated fats dont and make cell membranes more flexible and efficient
Artery disease very dependent on the individual, but about 1/3 from diet (refined sugars can be just as damaging as sat. Fats),
1/3 from genetics, 1/3 from activity/lifestyle
Honestly I can't be bothered. All the seed and vegetable oil stuff seems like broscience BS. And even if vegetable oils were less healthy, there's no alternative for vegans so that would just be a sacrifice we have to make. Why bother investigating. I'm gonna deep fry burritos in corn oil til I start getting fat, and then deep fry slightly less.
Chemichally it's a different thing, but my question is, is it non vegan? And also, can you use it as general fat?
It's probably vegan but who knows, "natural flavoring" in the ingredients list can be anything. I've got some in my fridge but I sure wouldn't want to deep fry with it.
Eat a balanced of a diet as u can and avoid processed foods (you can use any oils or fats)
Take a b12 supplement cuz you’re hopefully not eating too much shit
I only avoid trans fats myself. Anything more than 0 is a no no.
The real score is that it's mostly bullshit. Oil and fats should only be watched due to their caloric value (also you should limit trans fats) unless you have a galbladder issue. Like... buttered movie theater popcorn has a few tablespoons of oil/fat, but each tablespoon has 100-200 calories in it, so you've basically just had an entire meal from that alone.
Processed sugars are significantly worse in the quantities in which they're regularly consumed. Really bad for insulin resistance. Really bad for metabolism overall. Bad for your teeth if you don't rinse your mouth and brush them after. Makes you gain weight faster and fucks with fats in your bloodstream. Fine to have in moderation, though, especially if not on an empty stomach.
It's mainly if the polyunsaturated fatty acids in the seed oil oxidizes, it produces trans fats and lipid peroxides. This can be pretty bad especially when it comes to reusing fryer oil (which is what most deep fried food is cooked in), I notice it can make my inflammation worse. And most industrial seed oils oxidate easily, some even go rancid just sitting on the shelves. So antioxidants are put into the oils. But antioxidants can also have bad effects. TBHQ being the worst, it can produce a heightened allergy response.
Seed oils are really high in polyunsaturated fats, canola oil is 61g of polyunsaturated fats per 100g, both olive oil and coconut oil are under 10g I think. Olive oil has a low smoke point though so it's really bad for stuff like deep frying or really high temperature cooking. Medium heat only.
As for why seed oils are so popular, it's mainly based off of bunk science by Proctor and Gamble and the sugar industry that demonized saturated fats during the cold war. This is also why sugar is in everything, and why low fat = healthy on supermarket labels.
I'm gonna chime in here and say that while stuff like the keto diet has allowed dipshits to justify gorging on endless amounts of meat, I feel like more recent science that's not backed by big business seems to really push the fact that many traditional sources of fat are absolutely fine. If anything it seems kind of clear that processed carbohydrates are the bane of the Western diet and eliminating them as much as possible (not saying keto, just avoiding anything that isn't a complex carb) would do most people a big favor in terms of health and wellbeing.
I can say personally that I've been on keto for long periods of time and I felt much better doing it. The primary downside was that it felt like if you weren't dieting that you had to eat animal product in order to reach a subsistence level of calorie intake.
As long as there's industrial interests or even small time grifters with something to gain by trying to persuade people one way or the other, the science will be unsettleable. In the mean time, I know which is better for me personally based on blood work, but it wasn't bad to begin with so it's hardly that important. Some people have legitimate allergies to certain oils, like olive oil, which aren't always obvious.
it's funny that these wignat "western culture" types are so against using polyunsaturated fats whose literal purpose is to be native to colder climates
I mean if ANYONE should be concerned about them, it should probably be people whose ancestry is from tropical climates (where the easily ancestrally available sources of fat were very saturated)
