Lol, what we think doesn't matter. We aren't in charge of Russia, China, and Vietnam. Once Americans reach refugee status, they'll likely turn you away whether they claim to be marxists or not.
as an american, xenophobia towards americans is completely justified.
I know counter-factuals are a-historical and kinda pointless, but imagine how many genocides could have been prevented if all indigenous peoples had killed whitey on sight instead of engaging with their missionaries and letting them settle?
That would be Avatar 1 but you would still end up Avatar 2 a bit later. We'll have to wait on James Cameron to let us know what else happens in this situation
Surely you see the irony in an American going to a third world country and declaring "refugee status". Even if America is doing poorly, going to the countries OP mentioned (China and Vietnam), the ones that literally make everything for Americans and the rest of world, countries that are only catching up to US life expectancy now, countries where your average person only got a refrigerator and only achieved full electrification in the last decade, (I think 1/4 Vietnamese households still did not have a fridge by 2018), and claiming to be a refugee will not go far or well.
Working a shit job with no way to retire or to stop having to work 60 hours a week when your body is killing you... Makes you a fucking refugee
How do you think people work in the global south? How do you think your average Chinese or Vietnamese factory worker, that likely made the shoes you are wearing and the electronic device you are typing on, works? If that makes you a refugee, then 99% of the world's population are refugees, and by that standard, what does that make the average person in the countries people want to move to? A slave? Why do you think so many people flee their countries to try move to the US and Europe? Why do so many global south countries struggle with brain drain to the west?
If you want to move to another country for a cheaper cost of living do it, but don't claim to be a refugee, that's just ignorant. Words actually have meanings.
Ahh, but haven't you considered that if a first worlder hasn't received their fair share of plunder from the Global South, that makes them the real victim?
Almost every expat I know is usually some tech worker (recently remote work is becoming more popular) or a teacher, and a couple of entertainers. The teacher is likely more valuable and “fairer” as your salary is usually more in line with what the citizen teachers make, and you’re teaching others a valuable skill. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of an expat integrate into the more common jobs like day laborer, farmer, construction worker, etc.
Not saying you should just worship poverty and perseverance porn, but calling yourself a refugee while you’re likely getting paid $60,000 remote coding job from the country you escaped from might make you seem out of touch
but calling yourself a refugee while you’re likely getting paid $60,000 remote coding job from the country you escaped from might make you seem out of touch
Yeah but if you're working a low-paying teaching position in the US and China or Vietnam offers you something better, I have no problem calling yourself a refugee. You may not be the same as some diamond mine worker from Africa, but you're still escaping a shitty situation. Either way, I get what HexbearGPT was trying to say. It fucking sucks in the west and if that means "fleeing" it then call yourself whatever you want.
Lol here comes the language prescriptivist. Actually, if you wanna get all :shapiro-gavel: about it a refugee is : one that flees (especially: a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution) (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refugee). And living in the US is full of dangers like not having health insurance or having to pay high bills even if you do. QED, checkmate lib!
But all jokes aside, I see what HexbearGPT is saying. I get it. You do too. The west, especially the US, fucking sucks. I don't mind calling myself a refugee if try to escape this hellhole. If anything it adds more validity to how fucked up it is here. Maybe we're not as "dire" of refugees as those from the global south, but I have absolutely no problem using that term for fleeing this shitty place.
Working a shit job with no way to retire or to stop having to work 60 hours a week when your body is killing you, when you could move somewhere where you could afford to buy a small place and stop paying rent so you could work less or retire makes you a fucking refugee.
Working a shit job with no way to retire or to stop having to work 60 hours a week when your body is killing you, when you could move somewhere where you could afford to buy a small place and stop paying rent so you could work less or retire makes you a fucking refugee.
Still kind of sounds like it's based on the overinflated buying power of the US dollar
Yeah, but that responsibility for actually creating that dignity of the American working class is not the concern of a state likely being exploited too especially when that comes into play within their borders and at the expense of their already extra exploited citizens.
The difference is that expats go home. They work their year or two or three contracts and then leave. Usually with gratitude and a great sense of relief that their time in another country is over.
I have friends who moved elsewhere and they started or joined families and integrated into the communities. Most are much happier than they were when I knew them here and are surrounded with people who love them. Sure if you just go act like an obnoxious horny drunk like a lot of Americans do then you won't be welcome anywhere except maybe Brooklyn.
Those responsible for gentrification are not the plebs pushed around the land by market forces and state policies, the people responsible are those who run the banks and create the government policies that lead to gentrification because it is profitable for the investor class.
Yeah this kind of strange language policing is actually ruining any chance of solidarity imo. I feel you, I think refugee is fine to use. Maybe you're not as "dire" of a refugee as someone from the global south, but it still fucking sucks in the west. The whole "words have meaning" shit being use here to try to divide us is some grade A :liberalism: shit.
The only good American I've ever interacted with was a black expat english teacher who literally made our class watched a :sankara-shining: documentary
Just say NO to yankee gentrifiers
is xenophobia cool now?
is turning away refugees from one of the most right wing countries on earth a marxist position now?
Lol, what we think doesn't matter. We aren't in charge of Russia, China, and Vietnam. Once Americans reach refugee status, they'll likely turn you away whether they claim to be marxists or not.
as an american, xenophobia towards americans is completely justified. You make a hell of a lot of inflammatory positions whenever you enter a chat-
wait libsoc is that you?
I know counter-factuals are a-historical and kinda pointless, but imagine how many genocides could have been prevented if all indigenous peoples had killed whitey on sight instead of engaging with their missionaries and letting them settle?
that happened sometimes the European powers tended to send in soldiers about it
also a white person moving somewhere is not comparable to colonialism.
That would be Avatar 1 but you would still end up Avatar 2 a bit later. We'll have to wait on James Cameron to let us know what else happens in this situation
Surely you see the irony in an American going to a third world country and declaring "refugee status". Even if America is doing poorly, going to the countries OP mentioned (China and Vietnam), the ones that literally make everything for Americans and the rest of world, countries that are only catching up to US life expectancy now, countries where your average person only got a refrigerator and only achieved full electrification in the last decade, (I think 1/4 Vietnamese households still did not have a fridge by 2018), and claiming to be a refugee will not go far or well.
How do you think people work in the global south? How do you think your average Chinese or Vietnamese factory worker, that likely made the shoes you are wearing and the electronic device you are typing on, works? If that makes you a refugee, then 99% of the world's population are refugees, and by that standard, what does that make the average person in the countries people want to move to? A slave? Why do you think so many people flee their countries to try move to the US and Europe? Why do so many global south countries struggle with brain drain to the west?
If you want to move to another country for a cheaper cost of living do it, but don't claim to be a refugee, that's just ignorant. Words actually have meanings.
Ahh, but haven't you considered that if a first worlder hasn't received their fair share of plunder from the Global South, that makes them the real victim?
Almost every expat I know is usually some tech worker (recently remote work is becoming more popular) or a teacher, and a couple of entertainers. The teacher is likely more valuable and “fairer” as your salary is usually more in line with what the citizen teachers make, and you’re teaching others a valuable skill. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of an expat integrate into the more common jobs like day laborer, farmer, construction worker, etc.
Not saying you should just worship poverty and perseverance porn, but calling yourself a refugee while you’re likely getting paid $60,000 remote coding job from the country you escaped from might make you seem out of touch
Yeah but if you're working a low-paying teaching position in the US and China or Vietnam offers you something better, I have no problem calling yourself a refugee. You may not be the same as some diamond mine worker from Africa, but you're still escaping a shitty situation. Either way, I get what HexbearGPT was trying to say. It fucking sucks in the west and if that means "fleeing" it then call yourself whatever you want.
Lol here comes the language prescriptivist. Actually, if you wanna get all :shapiro-gavel: about it a refugee is : one that flees (especially: a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution) (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refugee). And living in the US is full of dangers like not having health insurance or having to pay high bills even if you do. QED, checkmate lib!
But all jokes aside, I see what HexbearGPT is saying. I get it. You do too. The west, especially the US, fucking sucks. I don't mind calling myself a refugee if try to escape this hellhole. If anything it adds more validity to how fucked up it is here. Maybe we're not as "dire" of refugees as those from the global south, but I have absolutely no problem using that term for fleeing this shitty place.
I met a guy who called himself a refugee from China because they took his landlord investment business
Lol is this a joke
Not all of us live lives of privilege. Surprise!
Working a shit job with no way to retire or to stop having to work 60 hours a week when your body is killing you, when you could move somewhere where you could afford to buy a small place and stop paying rent so you could work less or retire makes you a fucking refugee.
Still kind of sounds like it's based on the overinflated buying power of the US dollar
And that makes it wrong?
Wrong or right I'm not too concerned about but I also don't think it's xenophobia too tame the dollar and it's consequences.
The power of the dollar should be destroyed.
But while its not happening, the american working class that get ground into dust deserve a chance at dignity as much as anyone else.
Yeah, but that responsibility for actually creating that dignity of the American working class is not the concern of a state likely being exploited too especially when that comes into play within their borders and at the expense of their already extra exploited citizens.
how is it at the expense of their citizens for an American to move there.
we aren't talking about tourists here American emmigrants aren't harmful to the places they go
you must not have met the American 'expats' I've met, in that case.
I'll concede that point but individual immigrants being obnoxious isn't a systemic problem
The difference is that expats go home. They work their year or two or three contracts and then leave. Usually with gratitude and a great sense of relief that their time in another country is over.
Immigrants stay. For life.
This is nativism
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thats just relocating a problem elsewhere. And those places would usually rather have the americans fuck off.
I have friends who moved elsewhere and they started or joined families and integrated into the communities. Most are much happier than they were when I knew them here and are surrounded with people who love them. Sure if you just go act like an obnoxious horny drunk like a lot of Americans do then you won't be welcome anywhere except maybe Brooklyn.
I would support open borders for every Syrian, Yemenese, Libyan, Afghan, Iraqi, etc, etc before I support accepting even a single American "refugee".
Yes, get wrecked :cracker:
Gotta keep American mental viruses contained :sicko-hair:
If the place you're living in is getting gentrified, it's xenophobic to dislike the gentrifiers.
:picard:
Those responsible for gentrification are not the plebs pushed around the land by market forces and state policies, the people responsible are those who run the banks and create the government policies that lead to gentrification because it is profitable for the investor class.
Yeah this kind of strange language policing is actually ruining any chance of solidarity imo. I feel you, I think refugee is fine to use. Maybe you're not as "dire" of a refugee as someone from the global south, but it still fucking sucks in the west. The whole "words have meaning" shit being use here to try to divide us is some grade A :liberalism: shit.
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The only good American I've ever interacted with was a black expat english teacher who literally made our class watched a :sankara-shining: documentary
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