is xenophobia cool now?
is turning away refugees from one of the most right wing countries on earth a marxist position now?
Lol, what we think doesn't matter. We aren't in charge of Russia, China, and Vietnam. Once Americans reach refugee status, they'll likely turn you away whether they claim to be marxists or not.
as an american, xenophobia towards americans is completely justified. You make a hell of a lot of inflammatory positions whenever you enter a chat-
wait libsoc is that you?
as an american, xenophobia towards americans is completely justified.
I know counter-factuals are a-historical and kinda pointless, but imagine how many genocides could have been prevented if all indigenous peoples had killed whitey on sight instead of engaging with their missionaries and letting them settle?
that happened sometimes the European powers tended to send in soldiers about it
also a white person moving somewhere is not comparable to colonialism.
That would be Avatar 1 but you would still end up Avatar 2 a bit later. We'll have to wait on James Cameron to let us know what else happens in this situation
Surely you see the irony in an American going to a third world country and declaring "refugee status". Even if America is doing poorly, going to the countries OP mentioned (China and Vietnam), the ones that literally make everything for Americans and the rest of world, countries that are only catching up to US life expectancy now, countries where your average person only got a refrigerator and only achieved full electrification in the last decade, (I think 1/4 Vietnamese households still did not have a fridge by 2018), and claiming to be a refugee will not go far or well.
Working a shit job with no way to retire or to stop having to work 60 hours a week when your body is killing you... Makes you a fucking refugee
How do you think people work in the global south? How do you think your average Chinese or Vietnamese factory worker, that likely made the shoes you are wearing and the electronic device you are typing on, works? If that makes you a refugee, then 99% of the world's population are refugees, and by that standard, what does that make the average person in the countries people want to move to? A slave? Why do you think so many people flee their countries to try move to the US and Europe? Why do so many global south countries struggle with brain drain to the west?
If you want to move to another country for a cheaper cost of living do it, but don't claim to be a refugee, that's just ignorant. Words actually have meanings.
Ahh, but haven't you considered that if a first worlder hasn't received their fair share of plunder from the Global South, that makes them the real victim?
Almost every expat I know is usually some tech worker (recently remote work is becoming more popular) or a teacher, and a couple of entertainers. The teacher is likely more valuable and “fairer” as your salary is usually more in line with what the citizen teachers make, and you’re teaching others a valuable skill. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of an expat integrate into the more common jobs like day laborer, farmer, construction worker, etc.
Not saying you should just worship poverty and perseverance porn, but calling yourself a refugee while you’re likely getting paid $60,000 remote coding job from the country you escaped from might make you seem out of touch
but calling yourself a refugee while you’re likely getting paid $60,000 remote coding job from the country you escaped from might make you seem out of touch
Yeah but if you're working a low-paying teaching position in the US and China or Vietnam offers you something better, I have no problem calling yourself a refugee. You may not be the same as some diamond mine worker from Africa, but you're still escaping a shitty situation. Either way, I get what HexbearGPT was trying to say. It fucking sucks in the west and if that means "fleeing" it then call yourself whatever you want.
Words actually have meanings.
Lol here comes the language prescriptivist. Actually, if you wanna get all :shapiro-gavel: about it a refugee is : one that flees (especially: a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution) (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refugee). And living in the US is full of dangers like not having health insurance or having to pay high bills even if you do. QED, checkmate lib!
But all jokes aside, I see what HexbearGPT is saying. I get it. You do too. The west, especially the US, fucking sucks. I don't mind calling myself a refugee if try to escape this hellhole. If anything it adds more validity to how fucked up it is here. Maybe we're not as "dire" of refugees as those from the global south, but I have absolutely no problem using that term for fleeing this shitty place.
I met a guy who called himself a refugee from China because they took his landlord investment business
Not all of us live lives of privilege. Surprise!
Working a shit job with no way to retire or to stop having to work 60 hours a week when your body is killing you, when you could move somewhere where you could afford to buy a small place and stop paying rent so you could work less or retire makes you a fucking refugee.
The power of the dollar should be destroyed.
But while its not happening, the american working class that get ground into dust deserve a chance at dignity as much as anyone else.
how is it at the expense of their citizens for an American to move there.
we aren't talking about tourists here American emmigrants aren't harmful to the places they go
American emmigrants aren’t harmful to the places they go
you must not have met the American 'expats' I've met, in that case.
I'll concede that point but individual immigrants being obnoxious isn't a systemic problem
The difference is that expats go home. They work their year or two or three contracts and then leave. Usually with gratitude and a great sense of relief that their time in another country is over.
Immigrants stay. For life.
within their borders and at the expense of their already extra exploited citizens.
This is nativism
thats just relocating a problem elsewhere. And those places would usually rather have the americans fuck off.
I have friends who moved elsewhere and they started or joined families and integrated into the communities. Most are much happier than they were when I knew them here and are surrounded with people who love them. Sure if you just go act like an obnoxious horny drunk like a lot of Americans do then you won't be welcome anywhere except maybe Brooklyn.
is turning away refugees from one of the most right wing countries on earth a marxist position now?
I would support open borders for every Syrian, Yemenese, Libyan, Afghan, Iraqi, etc, etc before I support accepting even a single American "refugee".
Yes, get wrecked :cracker:
Gotta keep American mental viruses contained :sicko-hair:
If the place you're living in is getting gentrified, it's xenophobic to dislike the gentrifiers.
:picard:
Those responsible for gentrification are not the plebs pushed around the land by market forces and state policies, the people responsible are those who run the banks and create the government policies that lead to gentrification because it is profitable for the investor class.
Yeah this kind of strange language policing is actually ruining any chance of solidarity imo. I feel you, I think refugee is fine to use. Maybe you're not as "dire" of a refugee as someone from the global south, but it still fucking sucks in the west. The whole "words have meaning" shit being use here to try to divide us is some grade A :liberalism: shit.
The only good American I've ever interacted with was a black expat english teacher who literally made our class watched a :sankara-shining: documentary
I mean it's only cheap when you take into account that you are earning US dollars in the US, and the people living there are earning local wages. If you plan to move there and get a job, unless you plan on getting some upper class gig or earning US dollars, those apartments will no longer be cheap compared to your monthly wage.
The implication I take from 'retirement' is that you're bringing a big wad of saved-up cash with you. That way you are paying for 'cheap' stuff with your US wage.
Many countries will grant permanent residency visas if you have a certain retirement (social security , pension) income.
Meh there are some positions in places like China that pay well even in Chinese money, especially when you consider the cost of living is lower even for the Chinese themselves.
Shanghai is apparently having a tech boom right now for instance
Good luck getting a visa to enter. You can't just decide to move there, you have to have a reason: a job offer (requires 4 year degree, yes they call your university and check, the days of phony diplomas are long over), become a student (nobody over 30) or be married to one of their citizens.
Argentina has in its constitution that they can't turn anyone down, hence the nazi jokes and so on.
How is Uruguay? What’s the people and culture and job prospects like?
Is it possible to fly someone over from another country who wants to live in the US, marry them, and just trade places lol.
The State Department is super suspicious of international marriages due to all the loser white men with mail-order brides. High rates of fraud, likely to be denied.
The women marry a loser, get the visa, come over and disappear. The existence of sanctuary cities isn't a secret, the whole world knows.
They mostly come from places exploited by the west so good on them, but I can't help feeling kind of sad for the "losers" who are looking for love in an increasingly hostile and alienating culture. Can't buy love as they say. But also, American woman stay away from me as they say.
I didn't know, this isn't something I ever researched. I knew about cities with high refugee populations and have worked with those communities but didn't really consider how marriage visa immigration was being used. Makes sense now and kind of shines light on the Asian women I knew during my brief time in Columbus OH.
All 3 of those countries have the same emigration requirements for americans? That’s weird.
That’s the gist of it for many countries. Some countries have special programs with the US (like Norway or some other snow country), but the funny thing is that the program seems to benefit Americans much more because it allows Americans to become residents quick and all you need is some sort of small business you can easily cook up as a contractor. But as far as I know, they don’t get the same benefits if they go to the us
No, those requirements are for a visa. None permit immigration IIRC. China has a green card program but it is a joke. You have to basically be a Ph.D. or high wage manager, and you have to prove you have a high salary with your tax receipts. If you're an ordinary English teacher, you're class B and China sends you home after your contract is over.
If you start a company you can give yourself a job, but you still need to be qualified, i.e. 4 year degree in the relevant field.
Besides, who has $100,000 in cash lying around?
become a student (nobody over 30)
This is not true. You can do language programs or masters/phd programs above that age. Some countries (like Russia) don't have age limits at universities.
I have never once heard of a degree program that actually prevents people under 30 taking the course. People over 30 are less likely to in large part because they tend to have more responsibilities that make studying harder
If you are under 40, maybe 45 if you are in good health(40+ years left) then you should take this seriously.
If you don't want to be old and miserable and living in climate apocalypse balkanization hell then you should take it seriously and make long term plans.
Maybe not everyone is able to prepare for climate change, but that is more of a sad fact. Kind of like telling some European teen in 1890 "get ready you'll see two world wars right next to you within the next 50 years!".
Anyway as far as emigration goes Americans are still very privileged. As long as you have education and minimal work experience you'll be favored over third world nationals everything else being equal. You should make use of this fact if you can.
"Education" in this case meaning a college degree, something most of us were never able to afford.
Yeah... Whenever I see talk of getting out of this hellscape that's the thing that always comes back to bite me.
my fight is at home and at home I will stay
as much as I want to leave lmao
yeah once my teeth are fixed (2 more years) imma teach English in china. fuck America, this place sucks. 0% chance my quality of life would be lower abroad
Death to America
Not specifically, might end up in Chile because the Atacama Desert is where all the new telescopes are being built, so there is some chance my job would push me there regardless.
What I heard a few times is that part of the north only has the 3 Ps perros putas y polvo (street dogs, prostitutes and dust). Sure there are great jobs but the downside is that you have to live there.
By all means come to other parts of Chile
Edit: I might have mixed Atacama with Calama. Still they are kind of close
Guatemala isn't even far from the US and the cost of lviing would blow ur mind
I’d love to leave now but I speak 1 language and can’t really justify abandoning my family and friends
I intend to turn the usa into the ussa or the peoples republic of North America, half jokes aside yeah maybe who knows it depends on how the usa declines in the next 40 years in other words: can America learn to take a L and reform its self even moderately? The answer might suprize you.
can America learn to take a L and reform its self even moderately?
:bugs-no:
Death to America
