Trek has a good excuse where it's a ship you live on and work on for like...years. there's an in universe practicality there where people tend to wanna work and live in places with lighting condusive to existing as a person and less for how dramatic it looks on TV. Trek is allowed to do flat lighting
I've had a super hard time so far with it and have given up repeatedly and I love boring Sci fi. The characters are just super unlikable and one dimensional. The commander guy is unironic Zapp Brannigan
Steven Strait held the same strained facial expression for all 6 seasons and was overall just super flat, same with Chatham. Aghdashloo is a good actress overall but the writers absolutely were not writing her lines with her in mind, especially in the last two seasons. Tipper was only good during the story arc where they stole the Mormon ship and after IMO
I forgot she left Medina station in the show. Well, the show ended at the point where they can just put her back in charge of Medina in exchange for her faction standing down.
They're pretty well-written and well-paced with interesting characters and worldbuilding, but they're not breaking any new ground or making you think tough questions. The first book is sort of a noir detective thriller, the rest are more like political/military thrillers, except #4 which is kind of a western. There's also a few short stories, and I've heard the audio book narrator is good.
I wasn't expecting a well thought out response, but I read every sentence.
There is something to be said for how 90’s Stark Trek kept its production costs low. Seems like you can also get away with a lot more artistically when you’re less expensive for a corporation
As much as we shit on “prestige TV” around here it does genuinely take a lot more effort to shoot, hence why you usually get like 3-5 seasons with like 10 episodes each. You need locations, which require location scouts, permits, scheduling, shutting down businesses and roads. Even if you’re shooting on sets they have a lot more dramatic light and unique camera angles that require DPs and grips.
:I-was-saying: I'd totally enjoy shows that had quality locations, shooting, and lighting that weren't full of :awooga: :libertarian-alert: :hypersus:
Such fare existed, sure, but horny teenagers would have to wait for light night cable TV or go to grindhouse theaters and other seedy venues to find :awooga: :libertarian-alert: :hypersus: for the most part.
It didn't have a P R E S T I G E label and as much clout, publicity, normalization, and above all else funding until around the turn of the century.
Isn’t that sorta just how media progresses over time though? Things that were “marginal” and “cult” slowly gain acceptance into the mainstream, become incorporated into it.
Maybe, but as I previously said, it wasn't the exact same thing before. Things changed, became normalized, and after the Sopranos took off, the race was on to make the prestige lightning strike again and again in the same spots.
Back on topic, as I said at the top of this comment chain, I'd like that kind of cinematographic effort to go into shows that weren't focused on :awooga: :libertarian-alert: :hypersus: as often.
I'll agree to that much: if there was more entertainment with a decent budget and high production values that wasn't focused on "sexual violence and gory torture scenes are automatically smart and mature" gimmicks, I'd just enjoy more of those shows and probably have less to say about the rest.
Or just have cool parents. Mine paid more attention to what I was getting out of what I watched. I watched hellraiser before I was 10 because I was super into special effect and sorta mid tier creepshow kinda gore stuff. But say, pro wrestling was looked down on and I didn't really disagree cause they thought it was maybe too trashy and stupid. It was the 90s and wrestling lost the camp aspect for thst time so I can follow. I was still allowed to watch whatever but shittier stuff got not supported and things with substance did regardless of the sex or gore as long as it wasn't like a Serbian film or porn or whatever. I also took a more active interest in film and by my early teens my parents went off my recommendations. They also played video games with me and for sure are bigger gamers than I am now thst they've retired. I think there's a bit too mu h focus on content and less thinking especially on the individual parent's part causenthey know their kids best or should to not focus so much on what content there is strictly but how it's done. I'd hate to lose my sex and blood in movies cause that shit can be really fucking fun and had a better childhood for having it growing up,
At an individual level that's fine, but not everyone has the privilege of "cool" parents and not everyone is wired the same way. Likewise, some comrades :flag-asexual-pride: both here and offline have expressed frustration with an excessively horny-pandering emphasis on so much contemporary entertainment and they also deserve to be heard.
I've seen enough actual blood, gore, and death in my lived life where I don't derive much entertainment value from the gimmick. A good story can have that stuff in it but as a marketing pitch I'm indifferent to put off by it.
Back on the subject of wiring, just because something is personally preferable and desired doesn't mean it automatically goes that way for everyone else. It can be kind of unpredictable, really.
As a personal example, the movie Aliens was just a fun and exciting action movie with some bearable but grisly moments in it to me even at a very young age, but for some reason the the G'mork in Neverending Story gave me nightmares for years.
There's plenty of wholesome shmaltz out there if that's what you need. Otherwise what, we're supposed to make entertainment for adults but keep things rated pg? I'm not really sure what solution you would have here.
Otherwise what, we’re supposed to make entertainment for adults but keep things rated pg
That's not the position I was taking but if you're going to conjure it up and put my name on it, I don't even know if we're having a discussion anymore.
You gave a list of people who may not like certain entertainment for one reason or another. Aside from literally making everything family friendly in case an ace person might see a sex scene or whatever what would you suggest? These should either be adults or parents making informed decisions and since your own complaints seem to count the marketing of sex and violence as a problem as well, I'm not really sure what you want.
Aside from literally making everything family friendly
I never asked for or even implied that was necessary. At most I was saying that more entertainment for people that don't have your specific demands and expectations would be a good thing.
You seem to take it like it's all a zero sum game and you get less sexual violence and/or gore if more "schmaltz" as you put it comes out instead.
I think I'm going to stop replying because judging by your posts in the megathread you're on an "adulting" warpath today as it is.
Not sure I believe this. The Big Bang Theory couldn’t have been that cheap, Jim Parsons was the highest paid tv actor in the world at one point, making like $1M per episode.
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Trek has a good excuse where it's a ship you live on and work on for like...years. there's an in universe practicality there where people tend to wanna work and live in places with lighting condusive to existing as a person and less for how dramatic it looks on TV. Trek is allowed to do flat lighting
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Babylon five you say?
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I've had a super hard time so far with it and have given up repeatedly and I love boring Sci fi. The characters are just super unlikable and one dimensional. The commander guy is unironic Zapp Brannigan
I can't say it really gets better but it is s cult classic that appeals to some
The Expanse could afford to do all the fancy sets and costumes and lighting because they hired the cheapest and worst actors in Hollywood
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I love the show, I’ve watched it three times. Doesn’t mean any of the acting was good.
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Steven Strait held the same strained facial expression for all 6 seasons and was overall just super flat, same with Chatham. Aghdashloo is a good actress overall but the writers absolutely were not writing her lines with her in mind, especially in the last two seasons. Tipper was only good during the story arc where they stole the Mormon ship and after IMO
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Are the books worth reading? Seems daunting to get into at first
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I too enjoyed the Camina Drummer show
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It could be a spin off called "Spin Gravity" and be about the political struggles of attempting to run Medina Station during the timeskip.
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I forgot she left Medina station in the show. Well, the show ended at the point where they can just put her back in charge of Medina in exchange for her faction standing down.
They're pretty well-written and well-paced with interesting characters and worldbuilding, but they're not breaking any new ground or making you think tough questions. The first book is sort of a noir detective thriller, the rest are more like political/military thrillers, except #4 which is kind of a western. There's also a few short stories, and I've heard the audio book narrator is good.
And the worst sound design team
Honestly having good actors in a sci-fi show has always been a red flag for me, second only to having fancy CGI.
I wasn't expecting a well thought out response, but I read every sentence.
There is something to be said for how 90’s Stark Trek kept its production costs low. Seems like you can also get away with a lot more artistically when you’re less expensive for a corporation
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:I-was-saying: I'd totally enjoy shows that had quality locations, shooting, and lighting that weren't full of :awooga: :libertarian-alert: :hypersus:
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I argue that's a false equivalence.
Such fare existed, sure, but horny teenagers would have to wait for light night cable TV or go to grindhouse theaters and other seedy venues to find :awooga: :libertarian-alert: :hypersus: for the most part.
It didn't have a P R E S T I G E label and as much clout, publicity, normalization, and above all else funding until around the turn of the century.
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Maybe, but as I previously said, it wasn't the exact same thing before. Things changed, became normalized, and after the Sopranos took off, the race was on to make the prestige lightning strike again and again in the same spots.
Back on topic, as I said at the top of this comment chain, I'd like that kind of cinematographic effort to go into shows that weren't focused on :awooga: :libertarian-alert: :hypersus: as often.
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I'll agree to that much: if there was more entertainment with a decent budget and high production values that wasn't focused on "sexual violence and gory torture scenes are automatically smart and mature" gimmicks, I'd just enjoy more of those shows and probably have less to say about the rest.
Or just have cool parents. Mine paid more attention to what I was getting out of what I watched. I watched hellraiser before I was 10 because I was super into special effect and sorta mid tier creepshow kinda gore stuff. But say, pro wrestling was looked down on and I didn't really disagree cause they thought it was maybe too trashy and stupid. It was the 90s and wrestling lost the camp aspect for thst time so I can follow. I was still allowed to watch whatever but shittier stuff got not supported and things with substance did regardless of the sex or gore as long as it wasn't like a Serbian film or porn or whatever. I also took a more active interest in film and by my early teens my parents went off my recommendations. They also played video games with me and for sure are bigger gamers than I am now thst they've retired. I think there's a bit too mu h focus on content and less thinking especially on the individual parent's part causenthey know their kids best or should to not focus so much on what content there is strictly but how it's done. I'd hate to lose my sex and blood in movies cause that shit can be really fucking fun and had a better childhood for having it growing up,
At an individual level that's fine, but not everyone has the privilege of "cool" parents and not everyone is wired the same way. Likewise, some comrades :flag-asexual-pride: both here and offline have expressed frustration with an excessively horny-pandering emphasis on so much contemporary entertainment and they also deserve to be heard.
I've seen enough actual blood, gore, and death in my lived life where I don't derive much entertainment value from the gimmick. A good story can have that stuff in it but as a marketing pitch I'm indifferent to put off by it.
Back on the subject of wiring, just because something is personally preferable and desired doesn't mean it automatically goes that way for everyone else. It can be kind of unpredictable, really.
As a personal example, the movie Aliens was just a fun and exciting action movie with some bearable but grisly moments in it to me even at a very young age, but for some reason the the G'mork in Neverending Story gave me nightmares for years.
There's plenty of wholesome shmaltz out there if that's what you need. Otherwise what, we're supposed to make entertainment for adults but keep things rated pg? I'm not really sure what solution you would have here.
That's not the position I was taking but if you're going to conjure it up and put my name on it, I don't even know if we're having a discussion anymore.
You gave a list of people who may not like certain entertainment for one reason or another. Aside from literally making everything family friendly in case an ace person might see a sex scene or whatever what would you suggest? These should either be adults or parents making informed decisions and since your own complaints seem to count the marketing of sex and violence as a problem as well, I'm not really sure what you want.
I never asked for or even implied that was necessary. At most I was saying that more entertainment for people that don't have your specific demands and expectations would be a good thing.
You seem to take it like it's all a zero sum game and you get less sexual violence and/or gore if more "schmaltz" as you put it comes out instead.
I think I'm going to stop replying because judging by your posts in the megathread you're on an "adulting" warpath today as it is.
I'm literally taking flamethrowers to anyone without a mortgage and a lawnmower.
Not sure I believe this. The Big Bang Theory couldn’t have been that cheap, Jim Parsons was the highest paid tv actor in the world at one point, making like $1M per episode.
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That happens after it's success
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He keeps the seats full, which sells gold, dick pills, and... uh... idk I haven't actually seen any TV advertising in well over a decade.