If, Buddha-willing, we get another shot at this shit and get the chance to try and enact a dictatorship of the proletariat, what do comrades here think we should actually do regarding prison systems, e.g. for political enemies? What do we think of reeducation camps? How should they be organised?

  • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    Alot of great suggestions and thoughts here.

    It seems like the 'things are relatively stable' does a decent amount of heavy-lifting here though. What do we expect the ex-cops, members of the military, and the large numbers of reactionary, armed boug and petty boug to do?

    Agree on the need for a century to achieve it. It really is the construction of a new type of society and therefore a new type of human being. Reminds me of alot of Che's ideas. Also unfortunately a particularly asshole moment from Trotsky when he was in cadiz and saw two men in a street-fight, and his reflection was 'it will take a lot of time and effort to create the new socialist man' lmao.

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It does do a lot of the heavy lifting. Because "Successful Revolution" is very different to "Stable Socialist Construction" in needs. And if we don't want to get ourselves killed or couped, or fuck up and start piling up the skulls; we need to recognise that.

      In any revolutionary situation where we have a chance we'll have at least a third of the military and probably a third of the PBs, since as a class they're generally opportunistic. Yeah, there'll be a bloody revolution, a sharp, hopefully short Terror, and if we're very very lucky a simmering insurrection rather than an all out Civil War. Lots of good people and lots of ordinary people who didn't want any of it will die before and after. too many people up against the wall, too many people in nasty temporary prisons where we figure out what the hell to do with them and if they are a threat.

      But thems the breaks.

      • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        Yh they are different. The latter presupposes the former though, and I guess the former can entail the latter depending on what we mean by 'successful'. One potential issue and contradiction we might face is whether or not it is even feasible to have a revolution or a modicum of stabilization under a socialist democratic dictorship without a pretty extreme level of violence and coercion, in which case we need the military. In that event I'm afraid of repeating alot of the mistakes of the stalinist period.

        I'm suppose the petit boug proportion relies on what proportion are closer to middle-class working class as opposed to genuine petty petty boug, i.e. whose interests they take themselves align more with, and how many of the later go through genuine radicalization and heroic class betrayal (not a huge number). The military proportion is an question I really have no idea how to answer or judge your proportion you answer with. I'm not familiar enough with the sociology or material circumstances of military members as group.