Anyone else see this?
I ask because there's zero chance anybody I know irl would have seen this?
Any good takes?
I'm still trying to figure out my take. Bad part is it was too...boring...to watch twice. Good but...slow.
Anyway this entire world of cultured urban elite professional is so entirely alien that it was kind of awkward to watch. I don't even own a suit, I will never see a prestigious orchestra anywhere but YouTube. Even if I like classical music, which I do, these trappings make it clear it's not FOR ME.
the way these NPR rich libs are so just elite about something as raw as music. The scene where she had to help the disabled woman back in her chair and immediately went home to wash herself. They might work in passion for a profession but these people are sooo sterile.
It's attitude on cancel culture is something I'm still trying to work out. Lydia lecturing the zoomer student looked like something theys post on redscarepod. Then they slowly revealed that she was a groomer. I liked that. You wouldn't automatically put up your defense mechanisms, they convinced you she was a villain
I’ve heard compelling arguments that the movie is told from Lydia’s unreliable perspective, so the zoomer student is a caricature of people asking for more inclusion in the classical canon, literally just Ben Shapiro owning 18 year olds. People in the theater clapped after that scene, which was a good reminder that a lot of people are shitheads.
I also kind of love that all the concern about people thinking Lydia Tar is a real person reveals how irrelevant the classical music world is to most people.
there's a difference between wanting inclusion outside the western canon (cool, good) and saying out of hand that you won't deign to listen to bach qua-his being a cis-white man (incredibly lame, bad).
Bach wasn't even that bad of a person either. Like, he was just a German (which sure, unforgivable, but at least he wasn't French) Protestant who had a lot of kids. Maybe he was racist or something but we don't actually know a lot about him, he didn't really leave much writing or letters or anything. I totally get trying to exclude somebody like Wagner from the canon for obvious reasons, even if I ultimately disagree, but Bach is just such a weird one to choose.
Well yeah. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone actually make that argument, especially a Juilliard student lol. It’s the kind of straw man that very concerned people feel the need to argue against though. And I think it’s a valid reading of the film that Lydia Tar has main character syndrome and we only see her perception of the world and she thinks that that’s what the student is saying.
Although the scene does seem like her fantasy of Owning the Libs, I don't think that means it's told from her unreliable perspective, as the rest of the film does show her being shitty. It's already easy for a powerful adult to "control the narrative" in real life vs. unprepared eighteen-year-olds, which is exactly what Shapiro and his ilk (Crowder, etc) specialize in
yep. and notice that the original scene is presented uncut, while the cancellation causing video is edited in the least charitable/most libelous way possible.
the way that the viral video was cut was like a YTP
my memory of the movie is hazy since it’s been a few months but I don’t remember her being portrayed as shitty outright until the circumstances became absolutely untenable. I also went into the movie knowing nothing at all and was kind of figuring it out along the way lol. But I can’t make sense of how the climactic scenes are filmed other than the viewer is only seeing Lydia Tar’s reality.
wait she isn't?
Lydia Tar is real, they're confusing Tar and Mahler. Gustav Mahler is a psychotic hallucination of Lydia Tar.
Oh thank god the long Mahler nightmare is finally over.
Lydia Tár trutherism
She is Linda Tarr
Lydia Tar is real, she did the soundtrack for Goncharov.