Ireland 🇮🇪 Italy 🇮🇹are the places I can get citizenship to, but no jobs planned or connections. Netherlands 🇳🇱 Is where I could get a work visa pretty soon and know some family. Which do you choose and why?
Get one of the EU citizenships and then you don't even need a work visa
Go where you got connections but absolutely work one of the citizenship angles, you don't have to live in those places to get the passport assuming you're eligible by descent
edit: it looks like Irish is generally easier than Italian but everything is going to depend on your individual circumstances
No, not if you can prove Italian heritage. It's a complicated procedure with a lot of loopholes, but if you have like a grandmother who is an Italian citizen it's relatively straightforward to get Italian citizenship regardless of language proficiency.
Don't know about Italy specifically but that's usually how it works when acquiring citizenship by naturalization. If you're eligible by birthright, though, different story.
If you can figure out the job part, go Ireland. If not, go Netherlands - they speak almost as much English there. Italy is cool but don't go being a foreigner or god forbid, a gay foreigner when a country goes full fash.
100% I choose getting an Irish citizenship. If you can qualify for the citizenship through descent, just do it. There's no language barrier, so working the bureaucracy is easy. And there's no difference between an Italian passport, an Irish passport, or a Dutch passport. With any of the three you can live and work anywhere in the EU for a long as you like.
I mean, you listed absolutely no pros for the first 2 options and all the pros any immigrant would wish for in the last option
Also, all the cool drugs (especially the research chemicals) are in Netherlands (and legal!) and you can bike everywhere
The best play here is to get Irish citizenship and live in the Netherlands. Irish citizenship is the equivalent of Dutch citizenship since they're both EU members, so it's way better than a Dutch work visa. With Irish citizenship you can live and work in the Netherlands forever.
This. Citizenship is better than a work visa because it extends permanent rights
Why would you want to leave this land of freedom and opportunity
Netherlands is full of neoliberals and deeply protestant-brained people. Even the more "progressive" dutch people i've interacted with become wildly reactionary when it comes to poor people getting some kind of help or the global south in general.
The Netherlands are Germany, but somehow more evil from what I gathered and hear from Dutch comrades lol.
They were also ahead of the curve when it came to popular fascist movements in the 21st century with Pim Fortuyn's brand of "we must kick out immigrants to protect social progress" politics - until he got assassinated.
Yeah Ireland's your best bet politically. But the Netherlands definitely isn't as right-wing as Italy
The one with the fastest path to citizenship for you in particular. Once you have citizenship in any of those countries, it's pretty easy to live and work in any of the others indefinitely.
Southern Europe is cheaper.
Andorra is full of argies trying to make some money.
I absolutely adore Ireland, but I think it's having a pretty serious housing crisis? Italy's beautiful, of course, but the right wing is on the ascent there.
Ireland has a bunch of serious problems. Housing crisis, maybe troubles 2. 0, and the eu has been grumbling about changing tax laws so tech companies can't squat ireland as a tax shelter anymore which would revert the economy back to the 630sad.
Few if any fascists though, so it'd be my pick.
Italy is amazing, I went once five years ago and it was one of my favorite places ever, so much so that im going back this summer. You just walk around pretty streets and eatta da pizza and other amazing food. There was also a very strong leftist/anti-fascist presence everywhere with tons of cool graffiti.
Bologna and Reggio Emilia has been consistently leftist (as leftist as you can be with Gladio going around) since the fash went down. Turin has a cool DIY scene, so does Rome. Avoid Milan like the plague, as well as the more northern, historically reactionary bits of the country.
Veneto
Laughs in Friuli and Trentino-Alto Adige. Come for the spritz, leave because of the fash.
Wrt to leftism in ER, my experience is that electoral politics are a fuck, as in the rest of the country, but the largest and strongest unions and farmer co-ops have a good presence in the region so I'd say that the average Emilian* or Romagnol* is more to the left of the rest of the country.
Trentino-Alto Adige
Weirdly/Interestingly enough, if you include Rizzo's Nazbols, it was actually the best region in all of Italy for the self-proclaimed radical left in the last election. 7% in Trento, of all places (4,75% for Rizzo's bozos and 2,29% for the Unione Popolare).
Then again, red-brown-alliances are not the standard we should be looking up to.
As for Friuli, I view them as an extension of Veneto. I mean, the full official name literally has Venezia in its name.
the largest and strongest unions and farmer co-ops have a good presence in the region
That's a neat thing indeed. I recently found out about a network of cooperative flower shops in RN lmao. Shame I didn't take much interest in the cooperatives when I lived there, as I was very much just a clueless baby leftist back then.
I agree. I enjoyed it the most between the 3 when I got to go to travel, but it all trips 5-10 years old.
Might depend where, but I'm pretty sure Italy is definitely the most conservative western European country. Gay marriage isn't even legal
Netherlands for legal weed.
Ireland for the landscape.
Italy for... I dunno, pasta or something?
Ireland because it's a somewhat defensible temperate island but still in the eu.
My grandfather was Irish, born in the US, but I don't know anything about his parents. I know Ireland will do citizenship through great-grandparents but don't know how to find out if they were born in Ireland. Never done genealogy and I don't know where to start. Anyone have some tips?
Are you sure about the great-grandparents thing? People on /r/AmerExit say it's only grandparents anymore.
Oh, I think it was Italian citizenship, then. I was looking at all my options and if I could get some info about my great grandparents I could get citizenship.
spoilt for choice you can get citizenship in either? guess it depends on if you like whiskey or wine more
