A still life of collapse. The common ruin of the contending classes.
Instead of the State withering away and being replaced with the administration of needs. The State remains, the police still have guns, but the administration withers, the populace migrates if they can, and the needs aren't met if they can't.
This is the most beautifully written horrifying thing I've ever read
The abortion bans have to be some of the most short sighted, dogmatically stupid policies I've ever seen in America. It's purely self-destructive. Nobody wants this outside of the most bloodless bone-fingered evangelicals. Hospitals don't want this, and the staff don't want to risk losing their medical licenses, so they're going to eliminate anything that even comes close to abortion, including standard birth care or obgyns. There's going to be a gentle collapse of hospitals the same way as schools. No one wants to be an overworked teacher for low pay and the possibility of being shot. No one wants to be a medical worker who'll get charged with a felony for doing or recommending a medical procedure. We already lost a double digit percentage of medical workers from covid, now what, we're supposed to lose even more because of draconian laws that don't work?
Like abortion bans fundamentally do not do what these hogs want. They don't end abortions, they just make them more unsafe. Banning abortion isn't pro-natal either in a vacuum. You're not going to get a population increase from this, that's not how it works.
You know who has a population crisis right now, but has also banned abortion for decades? Japan. Yeah, that's right. Abortion is only de jure legal in Japan in cases of incest, sexual assault, or life threatening illness. It's not fully or strictly enforced, but it has caused abortion in clinics to be suppressed. It's also caused extremely stupid situations where women need permission from a brother, husband, father, etc to get healthcare. There have been multiple instances where a woman has needed written permission from the piece of shit who assaulted them to get healthcare. And that's probably the stupidest shit in the whole world. Also look at New Zealand where abortion wasn't fully legalized until 2020. Same problem as Japan, increasingly elderly population and stagnant growth.
You know who has a stable population growth? Vietnam and China, both places where abortion is easily obtained. Population growth has literally no correlation with abortion restrictions. The USSR already figured this out when they went back and forth on abortion laws to force some kind of population growth. They figured out bans don't work and aren't helpful, and that was nearly 100 years ago.
I hate conservatives so much. They don't know what they want. They don't know how to implement policies to get what they want. They only know how to be reactionary morons.
can't believe there's people on hexbear that still donz"'t understand this.
Yes. Making laws to execute women is personally very safe, while going out and shooting women will probably get a person in jail. They do this via the state because that's the safest way to satiate their literal bloodlust.
They don’t know how to implement policies to get what they want. They only know how to be reactionary morons
This is one of the more striking aspects of American conservatives; the way they reject any method that achieves their goals more effectively if it involves showing an ounce of compassion towards someone they deem inferior.
In America, anti-abortion advocates stand outside clinics calling women whores or tricking them with fake clinics to waste their time until they're no longer able to get a legal abortion.
In Belgium, there's catholic groups that give money to women who would otherwise seek an abortion to cover living expenses or even childcare if they choose not to put it up for adoption.
Like abortion bans fundamentally do not do what these hogs want. They don’t end abortions,
Stop taking these psychos at their word. They just want to punish Bad People and make their lives worse, abortion bans accomplish that.
No one wants to be an overworked teacher for low pay and the possibility of being shot. No one wants to be a medical worker who’ll get charged with a felony for doing or recommending a medical procedure.
That's why we'll crash the economy because we reckon you'd rather do those things than be homeless and starving
Doctors and healthcare admins are simply the best at covering their asses, absolute masterclass. Plus young parents are probably the worst at paying their bills, so profit goes up!
How fucking incompetent do you have to be to not see this coming? Fucking buffoons. Letting their fash ideology cloud their common sense
Are these missing staff leaving the labour pool entirely or travelling to other states causing higher competition for wages?
Travelling to other states. The anti-abortion laws are so strict it makes practicing even as a rabid anti-abortion tradcath risky. Basically if the baby dies for any reason the burden of proof is on the doctor to show it wasn't an abortion.
What happens if/when enough of these places can't run? Can state law compel the hospitals to provide birth services?
I mean, how? No doctors, no nurses. Hard enough to get them to come to backcountry Idaho at the best of times.
my shot in the dark guess is that they'll try to do something with midwifery. some states have midwife certification programs, or did. there was interest in them reforming in the early 2000s when the critiques of hospital birthing services being business oriented (choosing C-sections so it could be scheduled easier/assembly line style... ricki lake i think had a documentary that went wide "The Business of Being Born), but it wasn't a thing hospitals were willing to concede.
if hospitals can't capture that value using doctors, i could see a scenario where they become more amicable to a certification program for low paid staff to provide minimal services, with the caveat that they won't be liable if there are complications. as i said, it's a shot in the dark at a "solve" for the hospitals/law, but when there's a cheap labor pool to recapture a revenue stream, i suspect the lawyers, administrators, and legislators will find a way to make something work that degrades us all.
“Without pediatrician coverage to manage neonatal resuscitations and perinatal care, it is unsafe and unethical to offer routine labor and delivery services,” the press release said, citing months of negotiations that sought to avoid the outcome. “BGH has reached out to other active and retired providers in the community requesting assistance with pediatric call coverage with no long-term sustainable solutions.”
Longtime Idaho OBGYN says she is leaving the state amid hospital announcement The release also said highly respected, talented physicians are leaving the state, and recruiting replacements will be "extraordinarily difficult."
Dr. Amelia Huntsberger, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Bonner General Health, said in an email to States Newsroom that she will soon leave the hospital and the state because of the abortion laws as well as the Idaho Legislature’s decision not to continue the state’s maternal mortality review committee.
The government just keeps digging themselves further. Almost like they clearly don't give a shit.
Illegal to have an abortion, but we can't afford to deliver you either.
Tough luck, kid.
Genuinely wasn't sure if this is an onion article. So now people either travel far, risk having a baby at home, or...? Unfortunately I don't think think this will get the swift response it needs and situations like this will start popping up more.
I thought this was new but apparently it's a very big issue for a while now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/health/rural-hospitals-pregnancy-childbirth.html
Rural Hospitals Are Shuttering Their Maternity Units
Citing costs, many hospitals are closing labor and delivery wards, expanding so-called maternity care deserts.
Maternity deserts? If they already got a name for it this has been going on for a while, right?
Yep
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/care-coordination/6-hospitals-ending-maternity-care.html
Eleven hospitals and health systems have announced the permanent or temporary closure of obstetric services since March 16. Several of those moves have been attributed to staffing challenges.
So since Roe v Wade was announced to be revoked but slightly before it was officially confirmed. Which makes me angry at the news for not reporting on this fervently in March. I've still not seen this be reported on even now. (Aside from locally or by those who were already tracking the data themselves.) I'm referring to the same fever as Trump's possible arrest. Which it deserves far more attention for.
If only we could reduce the populations of white people in red states even faster.
