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Also the only time I've ever heard this language was people trying to be inclusive for putting tampons in all bathrooms
I don't want to assume complete bad faith, but she also goes on Jacobin and talks about need more police bc there is so much crime etc. so maybe I should
edit: I've looked through the thread more and I think some of the stuff could be phrased better, although it is primarily used in medical contexts so it's not like you're likely to be referred by these terms in the first place, there were some suggestions in the thread for alternative terms that could get the same meaning across, but the comments were like 80% bigots so even if she didn't mean it, which she definitely might of, she gave them an excuse to be bigots, if she really wanted to make this point she should have wrote more than just the last sentence to preemptively silence some of the typical bigoted arguments, so I'm assuming she doesn't care enough or is just a bigot both bad
Honestly I hear more of this sort of thing from transphobes then trans-allies.
Stuff like "woman=uterus having human" is very much a terf talking point.
Whatever you do, women with uterine cancer, don't get a hysterectomy, or terfs won't consider you a woman anymore!
Going to repost what another trans woman said on twitter about this because I agree with it.
This rhetoric is frustrating. No one is saying you can't use the word "woman." I call myself a woman. Anyone who wants to call themselves "woman" CAN and SHOULD. The issue isn't to say you're not a woman, it's to say NOT everyone who has a uterus IS a woman. It's not about you.
No trans person is saying you can't use the word woman. TERFs, however, lie and say that trans people ARE saying that. All we say is phrases like "person with a uterus" is needed when talking about issues relating to people who have a uterus, which isn't all women or only women.
I don't know if Ana is a TERF. One fucked up part of TERF rhetoric is how its disinformation spreads even in trans-supportive places because it uses the aesthetic of feminism, which it isn't. Yet, one would hope someone would learn what trans people do say, not the lies about us.
She has a weird bent where she comes across as reactionary about social issues on occasion. Her takes on crime and punishment is another weird thing with her.
Idk if she's a terf but she's been trending towards a "social issues don't matter" stance for a little while now.
I've never liked the young Turks personally, but I always thought they were good for introducing leftist concepts to the average Joe, now I'm not so sure if they're heading towards a "post left" 'class reductionist' grift. Much like dore.
Progressives create gender-neutral terms to be more accommodating to trans and GNC individuals, and then cis people get outraged.
"Don't call me cis, I'm normal."
Change a few words out and it sounds like a lot of bigoted arguments. "You can support lgbt people without harming the sanctity of marriage which is between a man and a woman."
It's the usual veiled bigotry. Aims to prevent progress while hiding within the opposition.
I've never once heard anyone refer to a specific individual in those terms, so she's mad about something that doesn't exist. Or she actually has a problem with use inclusive language when referring to people in a collective sense. In either case she can fuck off.
I've heard "birthing parent" used so that trans-masc people don't need to be "mother" on their children's medical paperwork. The way she phrases this makes me think this isn't in good faith.
Yeah that's what I was going to bring up is she keeps company with certain stupidpol types and some of the stuff she says makes me think she probably secretly harbors some of those ideas herself. I can't confirm it, but I've gotten stupidpol vibes from her on occasion and my gut tells she shes one of the "ignore social issues" types, she's just not fully mask off about it yet.
It’s transphobe shit, hidden in the guise of language concerns
It's incredibly bad faith because "person with a uterus" is hardly "degrading" if it's factually true.
She is purposefully conflating calling someone a "person with a foot" (factually accurate) versus going up to someone and saying "hey you, person with a foot" (potentially degrading, probably funny)
It's not cool to define a woman by their genitals considering it was an old misogynist thing to call women "walking vaginas and/or a walking pair of breasts" then there's shit like calling them "a piece of ass"
Basically, It feeds into that objectification trauma and can cause a kneejerk reaction.
Unfortunately, terfs and other transphobes have made it hard to tell if people like this are good faith
Yeah but I'm gonna start calling people "piece of foot" or "piece of elbow" :sicko-blur:
Look, I kow my elbows are sexy but I'm a HUMAN(owl?) BEING DAMN IT! :kitty-cri-screm:
I don't really have any sort of take on this, except it is kind of annoying that the existence of a term created to be inclusive to trans masc people is constantly blamed on trans women.
It's usually reserved for medical situations where those components are specific. I've never seen it used in general. But the CHUD channels love to take out of context and hyperbole shit and fly it out of proportion to generate rage p0rn.
Like putting tampon machines in the men's bathroom is for a person who menstrates, but FTM or identifies as male.
Or specific needs in a doctors setting. Usually in a quite clinical way.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my impression on the terms. A cis woman shouldn't be outraged at this if they understood the context, but I'm guessing Ana is behind the curve perhaps? Unfortunately she's feeding into the CHUD through by doing so.
This is mostly correct, except that some of it even applies to cis people. A cis women with a full hysterectomy or a cis man without a prostate don't need some medical exams that are recommended for other cis people their age.
You literally are a "person with a uterus", you piece of radlib shit
Ana has not been able to answer the question of who has called her those terms. No one has ever called her may of those terms.
Kinda just sounds like "I'm as liberal as they come, BUT" rhetoric.
"Oh you can support the transgender community without pushing drag shows onto kids" etc.
Also the only time I’ve ever heard this language was people trying to be inclusive for putting tampons in all bathrooms
I only see this in info material for medical exams ("who is eligible? - people with prostates" etc.). It makes perfect fucking sense there because biological sex in the sense of the unified whole terfs imagine it to be is utter nonsense. My biological sex is a bit more complex than that, so things like medical checkups have to account for that and use precise, unambiguous language so i know if i need a given exam or not. I simply do not know that it the leaflet says "men age 40+" because "man" is not and never was a biological category.
Nobody, literally fucking nobody, walks up to a cis woman and says "hello dear uterus-haver!"
I’ve never heard anyone do a weird euphemistic “person with a uterus” thing. Liberals getting angry about shit they just made up.
