Obviously what ICE is doing is awful, and vasectomies would in some ways be an improvement (although big doubt that they want a reversible birth control procedure). But critiquing what is clearly steps of a genocidal program on whether or not is patriarchal seems to miss the point.

  • Not_irony [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Yeah, castration is gonna happen before reversible vasectomies

  • QuillQuote [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    do hysterical and hysterectomy share an etymological root?

    I've come to expect my language to be as racist sexist queer-phobic and ablest as possible

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yes, but indirectly. Somehow the Greek word for of the womb eventually became the Latin word for wildly emotional. So in English one comes from Latin but the other from Greek. Basically, as usual, it's the Italians' fault.

      • SimAnt [any]
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        4 years ago

        in fact hysteria was originally a term for a female-only condition caused by WANDERING WOMB

        • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah, I was fully expecting the etymological line to be more direct because of that, and fully expecting they used to perform hysterectomies to cure "hysteria". But maybe Google's etymology search is playing cover for English sexism.

    • sailorfish [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Yes. Etymonline.com (which is pretty reliable!) says:

      hysteria

      nervous disease, 1801, coined in medical Latin as an abstract noun from Greek hystera "womb," from PIE *udtero-, variant of *udero- "abdomen, womb, stomach" (see uterus). Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus. With abstract noun ending -ia. General sense of "unhealthy emotion or excitement" is by 1839.

  • FanondorfAmiibo [they/them,none/use name]
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    What the fuck is wrong with you? "Genocidal sterilization would be less bad if they were doing it to men instead of women" is some absolutely wild shit to be saying. They shouldn't be doing it all, there's no hypothetical where what they're doing is less bad. It's fucking genocide.

  • quartz242 [she/her]M
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    4 years ago

    The most insidious and ghoulish mask off democratic moment.

    Just boggles my mind that this is the framing not why is the state sterilizing people.

    I get that cruelty is the point, in a twisted and warped way to try and dissuade anyone to try and immigrate but it is so outside my realm of thought to do this or any precursor of these atrocities to a person.

    Van Spronsen is a hero

  • WhatAnOddUsername [any]
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    4 years ago

    It's a tacky way to phrase it, and you're right that the main problem is that it's, y'know, genocidal.

    But I don't think it's totally wrong to point out the patriarchical angle. A big part of the right-wing worldview comes down to "Women are baby-making machines to be owned and controlled by the men in my ingroup (often defined by culture, religion, race, sometimes class), and society should be structured in such a way that the birthrate of babies is managed, and preferably maximized, by and for that ingroup AT ALL COSTS, including the sacrifice of personal freedoms and quality of life." So I think there is value in pointing out the patriarchical nature of what they're doing, insofar as it interacts with the genocidal nature of it.

    • boyfriend_ascendent [he/him,undecided]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, I think this is the way to look at it that makes the most sense. It's horrifying no matter how you look at it, but their choice of victim is telling.

  • Parysian [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    and vasectomies would in some ways be an improvement

    Don't even give them the benefit of this premise, what they're saying is as vile as "half the guards at the death camps should be women", which is a literal joke but here we are. Devoting even a breath of air to the idea that some form of ethnic cleansing is preferable to another (even if in some dork ass utilitarian way it might be) is giving up ground that we cannot afford to give.

        • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Here's an archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20200915155754/https://twitter.com/People4Bernie/status/1305876485069209600

  • livingperson2 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This has to be a joke. Nobody thinks this is a good thought to have, right?