Mfw the show about violent criminals doing crime features characters who aren't good people
[boomer voice] All my heroes are violent psychopaths.
Chuddy Xers quoted Tony Montana in admiring imitation, especially to their college roommates that asked them to take out trash or wash dishes. :so-true:
Chuddy boomers quoted Tony Soprano in admiring imitation, especially to their (slur) wives. :grillman:
But, that's sorta the point. He kills and fucks random prostitutes and beats women and pay for hit jobs, and he thinks being a thinly veiled family man absolves him of that. It's no different than any of the cartel hitmen or mobsters who wear crosses and go to church every week. Hell, there's even a scene where Paulie explains how they'll all go to heaven after 3000 years in purgatory for all their sins (murder, abuse, cheating, stealing, lying, etc.). The "nice guy" is the irony of it.
At what point is crime portrayed as "cool" in the show? They're paranoid of the FBI every second of the day, all their friends die or snitch, his mob life ruins his family life, and Tony is a fat and depressed murderer who gets a heart attack for seeing a box of rice with a black man on it. The only time it seemed "cool" was when they visited Italy for the mob meeting, and it was the Italians who were portrayed as sophisticated while Tony and his crew were baboons
The Shield is trash because there was no message. The only nuance was "Julian was abused because he's gay, but blue lives matter so he keeps his head down, and that angle stops being explored after season 2 because the actor is a psychopathic christian and didn't want to play a gay character" and "Mackey will murder a man for no reason but he loves his autistic son who never makes an appearance except 1 episode a season and is only used as a prop to advance Mackey's story". And The Shield always portrayed crime as cool. The corrupt cops always got the bad guy despite their brutality, the good guys gave in to the corruption because the world calls for wet work and we answer. Fucking Mackey somehow bags a bunch of attractive young women. The only time it portrayed it as an actual problem was when their own corrupt guys get caught, and even then it's about how they don't want to be arrested and not because it's, you know, bad.
At what point is crime portrayed as “cool” in the show?
I know way too many chuds, including those I'm related to, that openly admire the character and even quote him and imitate his mannerisms, for that hair splitting argument to amount to anything. Clearly the character was admirable and imitation worthy to the chuds even if there wasn't a flashing sign saying how admirable and imitation worthy he was.
I feel like having the standard for art being "moronic chuds have not understand it" will rule out a lot of good art
I just fail to see where the power fantasy is at aside from him being a boss and having underlings who kill for him. I guess that’s the power fantasy, but you can say that about so many different characters even if they’re not evil.
He's actually bad. Wow. I didn't know that, I just uh, you're telling me now for the first time. He led an amazing life. What else can you say, he was an amazing man, whether you agreed with him or not, he was an amazing man, who led an amazing life. Um, I'm actually saddened to hear that. I'm saddened to hear that. Thank you very much.
You've met the boomers in my biological family, sounds like. Except they wouldn't bring up blue curtains because that may unintentionally sound (homophobic slur here). :grillman:
I gotta do Easter dinner tomorrow and ugh. Usually I can get out cause of work or not eating meat, but they're going out, my grandma who is my last grandparent could go at any time and my little cousins who I do like will be there.
Gonna tell the little cousins all about JkRowling when we get to go play away from the group. Their mom is a giant Disney adult potterhead who acted like a bullying victim cause she bought the Wizard SS game and people she never met made her feel bad online by making general statements expressing their views that were only aimed at her in that she chose to be included in the group being criticized. Oldest little cousin gets my punk rock hand me downs and had green hair and recently got in trouble for kicking the shit out of a kid in school who was being an asshole about it. She got in trouble and DM'd, "don't tell your mom i said this, but you did the right thing".
Their mom is a giant Disney adult potterhead who acted like a bullying victim cause she bought the Wizard SS game
AngryJoe was already on probation for me, but he bazingad and gave the Wizard SS game a 10/10. I'm done with him. :homer-bye:
Took that long? Dang. I could never watch that guy. Just all kinds of not my style of humor.
I rarely did. In fact I haven't been watching him much at all especially in the last few years, but I had to take a peek regarding Wizard SS the Game.
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I liked avgn at the pre movie good times of the guy cause the angery was sort of the baseline bit that the real bits were hung onto like you do with a character. Anyone else reviewing things who calls themselves angry makes the Angry the entirety of the bit.
I liked avgn at the pre movie
Movie? What was that about and what happened? I haven't paid much attention to AVGN.
He made a movie. It came out in 2014 but inthink started production in 2010 or 11. James basically showed his whole ass, not in thar hes a bad guy kinda way but in a he has no clue how to make a movie and in the weirdest ways kinda way. It was a disaster and the movie sucked. How much time do you have for YouTube stuff explaining all this? It's genuinely fascinating.
I may not have the time right now but I may check it out later.
I know that similar Youtuber "Spoony" had a movie planned but had a collapse of sorts and never completed it.
I'm a few minutes in, skipping around a little, and AVGN already sounds like the Azumaga Daioh of Youtube. By that I mean that he apparently started a very bad imitative trend that followed his success, using the worst parts of the original formula.
Oh for sure. I was buying and selling g retro games as a job/hobby when he got big and got imitators. He brought a lot of interest/customers which was cool but it led to the price gouging we are seeing now eith retro games. At the time though, if AVGN happened to review a crap game you had, the price was gonna go up cause people would wanna experience it themselves. I was trying to break even, collect a few cool games on the side and get things from yardsales and stuff where they'd be thrown out and into the hands of people that care about this stuff and he was the catalyst for a gross market change. At the time he couldn't have known but watching those videos and some of the more popular knockoffs became my stock ticker.
I enjoy non "angry" Youtube reviewers now, such as HungryGoriya. She's got this mellow pleasant vibe and reviews primarily Sega Master System games, which is a unique niche. :only-good-gamer:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrqaOPLC4_LTWCdJIvXvWTg
You should check out Chrontendo if you like her stuff. Has a similar presentation quality.
HungryGoriya is one I just found this week and she rules. She can appreciate a NES game thensame way I do. Master System had some gems too. Pre 3D gaming is my jam, partially cause it used to be how I paid rent and partially cause it's just how I like my games. I'm only 31, so I didn't grow up with them but when I visited friends with older brothers or whatever I'd gravitate towards the older consoles. As a kid I almost traded my n64 for a SNES until my parents stopped me. 3d sukks
HungryGoriya is one I just found this week and she rules.
Her sense of humor is so bubbly but with subtle sharpness to it. Like this moment: https://youtu.be/3c3iGfEvr2c?t=480
I noticed that. She doesn't avoid pointing out flaws but doesn't dwell on them and talks about how to get around them. And we have the same taste in games. It used to be a bit frustrating when the Angry Reviewers would go hard on a game because they weren't paying attention or trying to play it as a different game. They approached it with the wrong expectations and idea of how the game is played and got mad about it. There's for sure bullshit in some old school games but a decent amount of rage was field by them not paying attention or taking notes in a game where that's expected of you. I don't go faster in a Kirby game despite holding the A button despite that being how you do it in racing games so Kirby is bad was the mentality for so many.
A lot of art is strengthened by limitations, as seen in the haiku format for poetry. Some of the most beautiful visual presentations I've ever seen in video games were deliberately pixel art. It has value beyond DAE LE NOSTALGIA and is frankly so old now that I don't think nostalgia is even a factor much more than nostalgia would be a factor for baroque or rococo architecture.
From a musical and visual and film perspective as far as what I've done personally, I think limitation is ESSENTIAL to good art, whether self imposed or otherwise. Not in avoiding the letter E when writing a novel or whatever but in keeping a sense of scope to things. It's easy to get carried away as a creator.
Agreed.
For me, some of the biggest disappointments in entertainment came from unfettered glorified "auteurs" given insufficient pushback. Aliens was an excellent film largely because of the friction behind the scenes, wheras Ridley Scott's Prometheus films were... not.
Gonna nitpick. Aliens was James Cameron. Alien was Ridley Scott. Behind Kubrick, he's probably my second most hated director behind Kubrick who still has great films (same with Kubrick to be clear, I just despise their approach). I love Alien, it's a top 5 movie of mine but Dan O'Bannon, Hr Giger, the actors etc. made it what it was. Ridley Scott directed but he it wasn't like His Vision. Blade Runner's best version is the theatrical release but you edit out the voiceovers. Deckard being maybe a recent himself distracts from the point of the film and the source material and everyone except involved except Ridley Scott agrees with me on this. Director cut of kingdom of heaven was dope but...it's one of those ones that I would have done more accurately and still had the same effect... the rest of his output is mid at best.
There are directors I hate a lot more than any of the above, most of them being :libertarian-alert: types that spent decades being creepy and being rich and famous for it, and even if I could separate art from artist (I generally don't), some directors are just bad to me, such as JJ "break all the borrowed toys and scribble his name on them with magic marker" Abrams.
As someone who has done some amateur directing and stuff, it's shitty technique as well. As far as like how shots are framed and stuff sometimes I'm generally a simple John Carpenter Boi who maybe like French new wave a bit too much and is maybe too in love with how a straight shot looks when you change it to a DIAGNONAL shot. But there's thst side and working with actors. For thst David Lynch is my guy. I'd love to come close in other aspects, but as far as respecting, collaborating and being on the same team as the actors he is surprisingly top tier despite the content of his films. He depicts some next level sexual violence and every woman who has worked those scenes has praised how he handled it and the environment of it and they came out feing proud as actors that they had a chance to do such vulnerable stuff in a fulfilling way. Even in a scene of one thing that I wouldn't wanna spoil to those who hadn't seen it he didn't want an actor who was a mother to do a second tske of pretending her kid died cause she went so hard to first time he didn't wanna make her do it again. Good dude who does way more fucked up shit than most directors but proves you can do these things well. Treat a production like a really huge band where you're keeping things in line but not really in charge and acknowledge everyone else involved is also an artist and might know better sometimes (not always, you still gotta direct, but being collaborative really helps stuff)
David Lynch plays with fire and his stuff is rather close to the precipice, but he seems to have some integrity as far as I can tell compared to the trust fund predators that coerced and creeped on Emilia Clarke (among others) and almost drove her out of acting entirely.
He is playing with fire, but like, actors are artists as well and according to every female actor that did anything duoer vulnerable or exploit (including literally mistreating on set for mullhulland drive) was pushed that far not because Lynch insisted but because he worked with the actors very closely on even scenes they weren't in and they at least knew what the scene was getting across and several actually have said it was very positive. There is a way to make weird and disturbing shit without harming people and Lynch is the guy to look to. Also you're the director, if you're abusing the actors you're not doing the job right
Edit: was the playing with fire a tein Peaks pun? If so good job. If not, eh. Still worked for me.
David Lynch is one of my favorite directors of all time. As far as I know he hasn't been a creep, sex pest, or actually abusive to those he worked with but I will be sad if I find out otherwise. He does heavy stuff but does it with grace and tact.
Edit: was the playing with fire a tein Peaks pun?
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I thought you made it on purpose. And yeah, a big part of why he's my favorite director as someone who has directed stuff and also as an audience guy is that he did stuff like Twin Peaks , blue velvet and mullhulland drive and the wo.rn who acted out some really harsh stuff ended out taking away a positive experience from it and feeling empowered. He let them sort or lead those scenes and as I've said, they actors and having the chance to explore those areas of emotion or performance which can be triggering. From everything I've heard with all the really explicit stuff Lynch has done with women, he made sure they were not only okay with it but part of the creative end of it, saw the merit of it and were enthusiastic participants who either saw it as no biggie or a very comfortable environment to artistically express those dark things as an actor.
What's the Azumanga trend exactly? Guessing it's beyond like whimsical moe-comedy shows.
I don't mean the show itself as bad and being copy-pasted. It's more like the industry (and weebs) saw :awooga: :libertarian-alert: and that became a persistent "moe" fixation for the years that followed.
I know "waifus" existed before the pop culture term was picked up from Azumaga Daioh, but it certainly normalized the weeb :brainworms: that habitually watered down character interpretation (and on the industry side, characters themselves), turning such characters in later products into a series of interchangeable harem wish fulfillment fantasy cliches where only the hair colors are swapped around and the characters themselves lack depth or nuance. :pathetic:
Redlettermedia had a movie called Space Cop. It was eh. But at least they barely wanted to make it.
I hope Ross Scott of Accursed Farms finishes his movie just so he looks less freaked out with each monthly FAQ video.
I don't say it lightly; the Sopranos is permanently associated with my worst family members that openly admire and imitate Tony Soprano.
The movie Donnie Brasco is also ruined for me because the most obnoxious nazi :grillman: of them all can not go for an entire family gathering without a few "FUGHEDABUDITs" thrown in here and there to dismiss everyone else's lives, concerns, and especially complaints about his "sense of humor." :us-foreign-policy: .
So, I read the Donnie Brasco book as a really little precocious kid going through a reading about the mafia phase. I was like...11 or so. Anyway, the book had surveillance photos of the real investigation and the real Donny Brasco looked exactly like my dad at the time.
:grillman: Something something art imitating life something something life imitating art. :grillman:
My parents are fine. They're libs but like...union libs. Far left of Bernie regarding foreign policy and economically maybe even a bit left of the guy. Socially They're ignorant and not willing to learn but are live and let live kinda folks. The rest of my family aren't like...the worst, they're just people in their 50s that still watch family guy or silent generation and dying. It's also on not polite to disagree with someone's backward statements and not to make them in first place so I'm expected to just sit there and not call out bullshit. Which is a really silly thing to expect, I see them twice a year and really don't give a shit what they think of me.
Don't give me material. I've been really ontonreadong into the Enish Vivil war and early American Colonies and am ready to jump into Early Modern English and become the VVitchfinder of the Coloney of Massachusetts Bay to remind each and all that they have been swayed along the path of Satan and only through prayer and agricultural labors may their souls be possibly sav'd but to always recall that even even should they repent of these most blasphemous and grievous sins and the Lord in His Majesty should find it to forgive their wretchedness that their nature is and will be eternally as a tree in winter. Unprofitable save to be hewn and burn'd.
Make it about the martyrdom of Catholics, like I always do. They literally cannot refute it when you frame the Easter Rising as such
They've got a weird grudge against a religion that was historically advantages cause they like George Carlin. Honestly I'm complaining cause for twice a year in my life I have to hear reactionary shit a day keep my mouth shut. A lot of people do that every day.
They don't but sure as hell aren't gonna change where they eat about it.
It's a bullshit fake Irish pub in a country small college town cause that's roughly equidistant and these dorks are white AF
What else are they supposed to do? Make pizzas and catcall women all day?
Last time Eye-Talians had fun, they colonized East Africa and joined the Axis.
The woke left is canceling all of my favorite prestige television dramas.
