Screenshots emerged in early April from Viki1999's Discord server of her saying she doesn't support "bloodthirty islamic Palestinians who hang people for being gay" and that the "jews let me be a homo in peace." She then doubled down, saying "if an israeli kills a gay person the israeli goes to prison. if a palestinian kills a gay person they say "thank you officer"."
Obviously, this resulted in a backlash. where she defended herself by claiming she was being a "devil's advocate" and quoting Zizek.
She further claimed this was "an out of context drunk quote" (another "I was not in possession of my full mental abilities at the time when I said those thing") and said "We agree on 99 things but that 1 other thing really ruins the rest?" When told this was a reactionary belief "No supporting Palestine makes me the same as a fascist?" and "you call me a reactionary for disagreeing with you on one point?"
What followed was criticism from multiple people, including Marxist Paul, for not only her original comments but also her response. She claimed this was all just "for daring to question the party line on supporting Palestine." When she was accused of being a zionist she said "there are WORLDS between not supporting palestine and supporting israel"
When informed that "Most of us don't call Palestinians 'bloodthirsty islamics' in private", she replied "heated gamer moment."
When the backlash to these replies/defenses became too much, she began claiming she was still drunk, while continuing to reply, "I leave the self reflection for when I am sober. Fuck sober Viki is in for a bad awakening when she wakes up LMAO" and further "Hey I've been drunk for the whole day I may as well have fucking fun before I pass out"
In my view, these statements are contradictory:
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She claims she was drunk when she was arguing in the Discord. Possible.
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When then screenshots came out, the obvious thing would be to apologise. She claimed she was drunk and playing the devil's advocate. Okay.
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But when people started replying, she defended her statements in the Discord by saying it was the one thing people disagreed with her (not supporting Palestine). Which means, even if she was drunk during the Discord argument, and regretted her choice of words, the substance of what she was saying, i.e. it's okay to not support Palestine because gay rights, was still her actual belief.
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When the backlash to this became too much, and it became evident to her that people aren't willing to give up Palestinian liberation, she claimed she was still drunk, actually.
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There is something deeply hilarious about, both, being too drunk to be responsible for your words, but also being able to articulate them tweet after tweet in near perfect grammar. You're so drunk that you're saying things you don't actually belief (doubtful) but not so drunk that you're not unconscious, or finding it hard to even navigate Twitter, or even understand what is being said?
There is a lot more in the replies, of both her statements in the Discord and her doubling down on Twitter. Such as this extremely wild statement/analogy where she reveals her grandpa was a nazi.
But this is where I'll leave it. I just wanted to show that her claiming she was just drunk or in a heated argument or whatever isn't true (at least not entirely). It's further proof that just because someone is a socialist, that doesn't mean they aren't free from reactionary/liberal brainworms, especially if they're a Westerner.
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Alcohol can lower your inhibitions, which can definitely be a bad thing and result in saying/doing things you regret. But it's not gonna make you start saying slurs and denigrating entire groups of people unless that was already within you. Like, I've been piss drunk before and I didn't start monologuing about the transes or the homo agenda -__-
If drinking makes you say and do shitty things, don't drink. That's still on you. I've seen this shitnso fucking often like it's a get out a jail free card. If you drive a car and kill someone, being drunk is an additional crime not an excuse for a reason.
The first time I ever got drunk my drunk self used that as an excuse to be a little shitty to other people and my cool friend informed me that being drunk was not an excuse. I quickly learned to stay in control of myself even when drunk and never used it as an excuse again.
That's just called being Antideutsch. (I think they're from Austria?) I've heard all of this before IRL.
They declined in popularity recently (with the peak being about 20 years ago), but that's what your average self-described radical leftist in the German speaking area is about 50% likely to be like.
It applies basically only to the youth too, as except for a few academics like Stefan Grigat or whatever (I used to know more but forgot their names lol - as for him they have an admittedly funny meme where any octopus shaped object is subtitled with "Hello, my name's Grigat, I call because of the antisemitic (usually ridiculous object like a pizza)") they just tend to become regular libs once out of the political youth circles.
A political movement that started because of a mix of criticism of some antisemitic tendencies in far-left and visibly pro-Palestinian groups of the 80s and panic mode fears that a post-1990 Germany was going to become a 4th Reich any day now spawned a really weird ideology based on a fixation on supporting Israel, a neoliberal foreign policy of "exporting freedom and human rights" and Frankfurt school cultural analysis and doomerism about the western working class.
Basically, they're proto-Vaushites
I've never heard of this, but it makes sense that German people would be very wary of criticizing Israel. But I think that's very different from talking about the "bloodthirsty islamic palestinians". If you say that, then you're just a racist/xenophobic/islamophobic, using anti-semitism as a shield.
Tbf they are quite TERFy as well. Well the “theory” propagated by the Antideutsche are that since german civilization is inherently antisemitic, muslim immigrants cause germans to be more antisemitic by stocking their nationalism lol. Also they wave like american flags at rallies, since they claim being against american bases in Germany is antisemitic as well.
Yes and no. The TERFyness isn't exactly inherent to them, but is just a cherry on top of the cake of bad views.
The view on Islam is one indistinguishable from some of the fancier far-right opinions, i.e. that because the Quran is less open to interpretation than say the holy book of Christianity or Judaism, it's impossible to reform the religion, which will remain "barbarism" (yes, this word is literally used)
The pro-Americanism is actually not an unanimous opinion among them.
You have Lads (Left Antideutsche) and Rads (Right Antideutsche) (pronounced in English, because they're nerds) and the first claim to be against capitalism, for communism, against imperialism etc. The latter are basically libertarians or outright Fascists. You are way likelier to find American flags in the latter.
Another Element of their ideology is the concept of "simplified criticism of capitalism", focused on blaming capitalism as a system instead of "greedy billionaires" or finance capital etc. (because that leads to - you guessed it - antisemitism) This idea has fallen out of favor last time I even botheed checking on them. There's merit in emphasizing that say Elon Musk or (insert bank) is not the thing that corrupts capitalism, and that the system itself is at fault, but I think leaving them out entirely might be a mistake. Indeed, some Antideutsche expand it to the point where criticizing these aspects at all (instead of focusing on them) is branded antisemitic.
Yes, not few Antideutsche are basically one small step removed from supporting the AfD, especially those around the magazine "Bahamas", which is basically Germany's own Spiked!
Leftist YouTuber who makes videos about politics and history with some memes. Around 50k subs.
Her video retelling the Cold War from the Soviet POV got very popular.
she reveals her grandpa was a nazi.
German/Austrian moment. :what-the-hell:
Each time they start bringing it up, I bring up that my great grandparents met in the resistance movement in Poland.
It's pretty effective at shutting up too many Nazi-Opa stories, even if they're meant for shitty jokes.
Nothing wrong (I hope) with having shitty ancestors assuming you don't use them to justify anything and work to undo the damage they caused.
really can't trust any modern leftist above the tropic of cancer smh
