The manosphere dudes are at least half the problem, but their existence certainly doesn't explain all those ridiculous articles from women trying to explain their fetish for mediocre white dudes as some sort of deep cultural awakening.
As for reactionary politics from parents, that's also a huge problem but ironically it's the manosphere dudes who tend to push back against that by advocating interracial dating.
the manosphere dudes are largely a product of the white fetishism that goes on in the asian female community, asian chicks post hart-celler really threw asian guys under the bus. someone on here a while back said this was a common sociological phenomenon for 1st/2nd generation immigrant women but i'm pretty sure the degree to which whiteness is fetishized in asian female communities remains an outlier, sociological phenomena notwithstanding.
the type of reactionary politics i was referring to mostly consists of standard american conservatism: rampant anti-blackness, bootstraps mentality, communists ruined our country, america was good to us, we wuz khanz/colonize the colonizer narratives, etc. as an aside, i'm really skeptical of the whole 'asian manosphere does interracial dating' thing, i just can't see the massive insecurities they carry around being good for even a normal relationship, much less an interracial one.
Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan really helped mainstream the idea of interracial dating and marriage. The book was a smash hit and so was the movie. It played constantly on Lifetime for years.
being emasculated and dehumanized only affects asian manosphere insofar as they remain incapable of assimilating into whiteness (and its corresponding sexual benefits/social status) as easily as their female counterparts
masculinity is just a number to them, they have no conception of what it is outside of a quantitative (and overwhelmingly western) context
In my experience at least, the manosphere guys are most likely to reject assimilation into whiteness as a misguided relic of their parents' attitudes.
I would characterize the mainstream Asian diaspora view of keeping your head down, working doubly hard to overcome discrimination, and then getting a wife through vague means after that as far more assimilationist.
Like yeah, it could be the outcome of sour grapes in a MGTOW sense but there's also the case where any Asian man who is outspokenly against white supremacist structures in dating is labeled by boba libs as an "MRAsian" so I don't think it helps to be reductive like this.
my take on assimilation into whiteness is more along the lines of consciously shaping aspects of one's life to correlate with the white narrative that promises sex, power and success by default.
the narrative falls apart upon contact with reality and the result is that asian dudes end up in the manosphere next to the incels wondering what went wrong, difference being that asian manosphere thinks that they can tick boxes off a checklist and sigma grindset their way out of sexual emasculation. unfortunately, the checklist that they're using is still part of the white narrative that they by definition cannot belong to.
i can understand why the discourse around the situation might be upsetting and call for a more delicate touch than mine. maybe it's because i'm not really on twitter, but i just can't see the boba libs as people, so their opinions don't really carry any weight with me.
hardly qualifies as discourse, bunch of strivers uncritically regurgitating manosphere narratives and their parents' reactionary politics
The manosphere dudes are at least half the problem, but their existence certainly doesn't explain all those ridiculous articles from women trying to explain their fetish for mediocre white dudes as some sort of deep cultural awakening.
As for reactionary politics from parents, that's also a huge problem but ironically it's the manosphere dudes who tend to push back against that by advocating interracial dating.
the manosphere dudes are largely a product of the white fetishism that goes on in the asian female community, asian chicks post hart-celler really threw asian guys under the bus. someone on here a while back said this was a common sociological phenomenon for 1st/2nd generation immigrant women but i'm pretty sure the degree to which whiteness is fetishized in asian female communities remains an outlier, sociological phenomena notwithstanding.
the type of reactionary politics i was referring to mostly consists of standard american conservatism: rampant anti-blackness, bootstraps mentality, communists ruined our country, america was good to us, we wuz khanz/colonize the colonizer narratives, etc. as an aside, i'm really skeptical of the whole 'asian manosphere does interracial dating' thing, i just can't see the massive insecurities they carry around being good for even a normal relationship, much less an interracial one.
Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan really helped mainstream the idea of interracial dating and marriage. The book was a smash hit and so was the movie. It played constantly on Lifetime for years.
You don’t think being emasculated and dehumanized for centuries has any affect on the perception of Asian men?
being emasculated and dehumanized only affects asian manosphere insofar as they remain incapable of assimilating into whiteness (and its corresponding sexual benefits/social status) as easily as their female counterparts
masculinity is just a number to them, they have no conception of what it is outside of a quantitative (and overwhelmingly western) context
In my experience at least, the manosphere guys are most likely to reject assimilation into whiteness as a misguided relic of their parents' attitudes.
I would characterize the mainstream Asian diaspora view of keeping your head down, working doubly hard to overcome discrimination, and then getting a wife through vague means after that as far more assimilationist.
Like yeah, it could be the outcome of sour grapes in a MGTOW sense but there's also the case where any Asian man who is outspokenly against white supremacist structures in dating is labeled by boba libs as an "MRAsian" so I don't think it helps to be reductive like this.
my take on assimilation into whiteness is more along the lines of consciously shaping aspects of one's life to correlate with the white narrative that promises sex, power and success by default.
the narrative falls apart upon contact with reality and the result is that asian dudes end up in the manosphere next to the incels wondering what went wrong, difference being that asian manosphere thinks that they can tick boxes off a checklist and sigma grindset their way out of sexual emasculation. unfortunately, the checklist that they're using is still part of the white narrative that they by definition cannot belong to.
i can understand why the discourse around the situation might be upsetting and call for a more delicate touch than mine. maybe it's because i'm not really on twitter, but i just can't see the boba libs as people, so their opinions don't really carry any weight with me.