Where else they gonna get their cheap slaves from?

  • crushendo [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    if we can learn anything from japan, the answer is absolutely not

      • ARVSPEX [none/use name]
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        Did they not try to put a lot of 'breed, you fucking morons!' messages in anime or something along those lines?

        That counts, maybe?

        • throwawaylemmy [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          I don't recall. I just know they did studies(? IIRC????) and noted that there was less middle-age folks that were able to care for declining older generation and started to panic.

          I don't think Anime changed, it's still just as heterosexual-perverted-focused depending on the genre.

          • Spike [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            There was talk about Darling in the Franxx being secretly some kind of propaganda for procreation. I've never seen it so I wouldn't have a clue.

            On topic though, birth rates have also been declining worldwide due to contraception and fewer women being forced into the tradwife role. Anecdotally it seems like most women plan to have kids around their careers with the hope that their career will take the smallest hit possible. I guess that is a round-about way of saying they are too poor and are waiting/hoping for a time where they are more financially stable.

            • throwawaylemmy [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              On topic though, birth rates have also been declining worldwide due to contraception and fewer women being forced into the tradwife role. Anecdotally it seems like most women plan to have kids around their careers with the hope that their career will take the smallest hit possible. I guess that is a round-about way of saying they are too poor and are waiting/hoping for a time where they are more financially stable.

              I'd agree with that. And the general sentiment that "shit is fucked, why would I bring a kid into this?" Even some (non-gay) men don't want kids right now.

            • vertexarray [any]
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              4 years ago

              Darlifra was definitely some tradcath nonsense. I was hoping it was going to be some "it's cool and good to get pegged" messaging but zero-two just had to ride bitch.

        • CertifiedFreak [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I could’ve swore the anime short series “ I Can't Understand What My Husband Is Saying” was meant to tell otaku to have babies

      • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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        4 years ago

        AKSHUALY, this year, after the Olympics, Japan was set to announce sweeping new immigration rules to encourage (wealthy, white, highly educated) foreign people to live in Japan. If you're American or from a UK Commonwealth country, and if you have a Masters Degree, you would have qualified for a 5 year residency visa with valid employment that can be endlessly renewed as long as you remain in good legal standing. If you have a PhD then it's even better, I think maybe 10 year residency or something, but I'm forgetting the specifics.

        Without saying too much, pre-covid I used to go on diplomatic trips to Japan every year to spend 2 weeks with regional Japanese government figures. Last year they let me in on this announcement before it was official, they were really excited to tell us about it. It was going to be related to the Olympics, kind of like Japan opening up more to the world in the spirit of international cooperation or something, but they've been planning it for a while as a means to pad both their stagnant economy and declining birthrates.

        It's not that groundbreaking of an immigration policy to accept PhDs from Australia for resident visas, but for Japan it was a big move. I'm not sure what the status of the plan is now since our delegation was cancelled this year.

        • ItGoesItGoes [he/him]
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          So now Japan is open to hordes of white colonizers with saviour complexes and racial fetishes for Asians, great! /s

          Edit: fucking white Anglos, most pampered and entitled people on earth, I swear. Also, most disgusting, imperialistic, arrogant and ignorant.

          Fuck Anglos and their nations. Colonizers out of Asia

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          I dunno about the Masters degree requirement, but them allowing immigrants in (bar the whole "gaijin"/xenophobia-that-isn't-xenophobia... not sure of the word: Immigration fears?) to help rural Japan would've been a good boon for them. They have a lot of un-lived-in homes that would benefit from weebs and others that want to move to Japan to live the life (even if temporary) and try something new.

          I dunno if it'd help the birth rate. And honestly: Do we REALLY need to help the birth-rate? Shit is going bad in the world right now, that needs to be fixed more than a slowing birth rate.

          • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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            That's actually what's happening, I've heard tons of stories of foreign English teachers who think the Japanese countryside is romantic and bought old countryside manors that otherwise would just get demolished since those rural populations are rapidly dwindling and houses in these towns are cheap. They fix them up and keep them traditional since that's the whole point of moving to the countryside and buying an old Japanese house. Edit: I googled and found a story about another couple doing this: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/japanese-country-real-estate/index.html

            It's not as much about increasing the birthrate, but increasing the number of specialized workers within Japan who pay taxes that support things like National Health Insurance, which will be increasingly burdened by Japan's aging population.

            Although, even in Japan's worst case scenario where rates had to hike up to support all the old people with the smaller younger working generation, I can't imagine that their healthcare taxes would be even close to America's regular healthcare costs. I paid $9/month for my first year in Japan since it's based on your previous year's salary, which was $0 in Japan before I moved there. The 2nd year, after pulling in about $30k in a year, was about $90 per month, still pretty affordable considering rent prices were also cheaper than what I was used to in the US.

            • throwawaylemmy [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Interesting.

              They also spent a lot more money than they could have -- roughly 250 thousand US dollars -- but their 130-year-old home came with about three-quarters of an acre of land, a fully mature garden with a giant Japanese cherry tree, and ancillary buildings such as a "kura," a type of earthen-walled storehouse.

              I dunno if that's good or bad relative to American and 2-9 Acre's in a city and like 50+ in a rural area.

              Interesting article. I dunno if I'd be able to do rural Japan life (I'd need internet or go insane), but the article makes it sound "romantic." I just worry those rural folks might not be so into "gaijin"'s showing up.

  • SnugMelon [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Capitalists refusing to acknowledge a problem that threatens to destroy their system completely, much less acknowledge it, because it means cutting into their profits???

    That's so unlike them! They would never do that

  • HarryLime [any]
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    4 years ago

    Japan has declining birthrates because of people's insane work hours, but it doesn't change anything.

    • lvysaur [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Which directly stem from the crippling of Japan's economy by the US-led Plaza Accords, which were only possible because Japan is literally a US vassal state

      They were done before they got out the door

      • HarryLime [any]
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        4 years ago

        I never heard of this. Is there something I can read about it?

        • lvysaur [he/him]
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          https://i.imgur.com/Dq5cuUZ.jpg
          https://2go.at.webry.info/200901/article_6.html

          The Plaza Accords happened in 1985, Japanese semiconductor industry started collapsing 3 years later (with a concomitant rebirth of US industry)

          https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/12/21/69996/index.htm

          HOW JAPAN PICKS AMERICA'S BRAINS Much of its economic success has been built on bought, borrowed, or stolen technology. Now U.S. companies are striking back

          "muh stolen teknolojee" Japan was literally the China of the 1980s. China is the China of today, the problem is that China is 10x bigger than Japan both population/landwise, and is a nuclear power. Meanwhile Japan had literal US military bases all over its soil.

          • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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            4 years ago

            Reagan had put tariffs on something like a quarter of all electronics imports by the end of his presidency, most of which came from Japan.

            • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]M
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              4 years ago

              I’m reading Long Twentieth Century and Arrighi talks about how America didn’t succeed by just becoming the next Britain, but by making import tariffs and the liberalization of theirs and their victim’s markets part of negotiations; this always ensured they had a strong negotiation position every time.

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    This doesn't explain why birthrates are down in every other single developed country, birthrates are actually lower in social democracies than they are in more liberalized ones.

    The cheap slaves come from higher rates of immigration as they planned during the Reagan to Clinton years, but there was substantial backlash against immigration all over the world and that has hurt this strategy.

    The lack of childrearing comes from things like the right to abortions (600,000 happen every year) and improved birth control techniques just as much as they do from anything else.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    [plugs ears with little sausage fingers] ”ONE BILLION AMERICANS!” —Matty Glesias

  • Jkid [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    They won't admit it, if they did it means the system has failed them.

  • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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    4 years ago

    If you haven't noticed, the age of human slaves is coming to an end. They don't need to care if all the other humans die. Hell, they know they will, that's why they're hard at work on the next evolution of slave labor.

    AI robot slaves are coming and they will be expensive as fuck and Jeff Bezos will have a billion of them running his Mars water plantation while he controls the food supply of the Amazon executives he allowed to leave Earth with him in order to keep their loyalty while they build a new indestructible body for him to inhabit before his mortal one expires.

  • leftofthat [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    it scares me to imagine that many (most?) liberals and conservatives today would be totally fine with the concept of children being raised by the State, and once that happens shit is going to get weird