I don't think the USSR could have surrendered tbh. The Slavs were subhuman to the Nazis in a way the Anglos, French, etc. weren't. It was fight or death/enslavement at best. (Russian liberals occasionally bring up the topic of whether Leningrad should have been surrendered on the basis it would have been treated like Paris but.... it wouldn't have been. It's my least favourite Russian discourse lmao)
Agree that Soviet kid's literature is the bomb lol. Lots of Anglo speakers talk about not having had girls as main characters going on adventures in books until recently, but I never had that feeling with the books I grew up with. Alisa Seleznyova was a little badass! I also found Cinderella kinda odd as a kid - the lesson that Soviet cartoons + lit had drilled into me was that the rich person is supposed to abandon their castle for love and freedom, not the other way around.
I don’t think the USSR could have surrendered tbh.
They could have - not on the same terms as Western Europe, but they could have. There were lots of willing collaborators, especially in the Baltics and Ukraine and many others who surrendered without knowing the plan of genocide. I can totally imagine the Russian monarchy surrendering (if it had survived to that point) - the aristocracy would have been spared, especially given their German blood and German language proficiency. The willingness to stand and fight was aided by Communist ideology, which was, for instance, anti-racist. A country led by an Antisemitic elite would have resisted less.
I guess it depends on who you count as them then. Yes, I think the tsar could have and might have surrendered, but I also don't know if Generalplan Ost would have taken shape in the same form if we Slavs hadn't proven our degeneracy by falling to "Judo-Bolshevism" so easily. Too many different variables for me (or I'm not knowledgeable enough) to have an opinion.
A particular theme of praise was offered for British “ruthlessness” in building and defending their empire, which was held as a model for the Germans to follow.[5] Above all, the British were admired as an “Aryan” people who had with typical “ruthlessness” subjected millions of brown- and black skinned people to their rule, and British rule in India was held up as a model for how the Germans would rule Russia
I don't think the USSR could have surrendered tbh. The Slavs were subhuman to the Nazis in a way the Anglos, French, etc. weren't. It was fight or death/enslavement at best. (Russian liberals occasionally bring up the topic of whether Leningrad should have been surrendered on the basis it would have been treated like Paris but.... it wouldn't have been. It's my least favourite Russian discourse lmao)
Agree that Soviet kid's literature is the bomb lol. Lots of Anglo speakers talk about not having had girls as main characters going on adventures in books until recently, but I never had that feeling with the books I grew up with. Alisa Seleznyova was a little badass! I also found Cinderella kinda odd as a kid - the lesson that Soviet cartoons + lit had drilled into me was that the rich person is supposed to abandon their castle for love and freedom, not the other way around.
They could have - not on the same terms as Western Europe, but they could have. There were lots of willing collaborators, especially in the Baltics and Ukraine and many others who surrendered without knowing the plan of genocide. I can totally imagine the Russian monarchy surrendering (if it had survived to that point) - the aristocracy would have been spared, especially given their German blood and German language proficiency. The willingness to stand and fight was aided by Communist ideology, which was, for instance, anti-racist. A country led by an Antisemitic elite would have resisted less.
I guess it depends on who you count as them then. Yes, I think the tsar could have and might have surrendered, but I also don't know if Generalplan Ost would have taken shape in the same form if we Slavs hadn't proven our degeneracy by falling to "Judo-Bolshevism" so easily. Too many different variables for me (or I'm not knowledgeable enough) to have an opinion.
Pretty much yeah. before the Nazis relationship with the British tanked they openly praised what they did to India and admitted that's exactly they want for Russia.