This is very hexbear doctrinaire of me to say, but there's a meaningful distinction to be made between anarchist activists and online "anarchists" who just parrot stupid liberal talking points while being into communes.
Yes, you're right. The last time I heard open Nazi apologia in person it was from an anarchist (the time before that it was a libertarian, before that a literal neo-nazi, and that's it). There's a reason I said it was "doctrinaire hexbear" because, like a lot of hexbear doctrine, it's a myth that is at best useful as a heuristic (or just useful for moderation).
But think of it this way, on the internet it's most anarchists that are anarcho-bidenists and offline it's only maybe half in the first world and less than half in most other places.
Stalin was basically correct, I just take the extremely condescending attitude that if we play nice many of the anarchists will learn better, because "anarchism" is a much more accessible ideology in the first world than ML, and not by accident . Being a jerk about it doesn't do anything useful except alienate the people who think explicit ideological incoherence is a virtue, which isn't a group even worth fighting most of the time.
Yeah, probably. I'm thinking about how there are a couple of not-really-chill-with-MLs who have held on and I'm wondering if the sectarianism rules still end up creating an environment in favor of MLs, since anarchists only have so much to point to positively compared to MLs and most of the criticisms of anarchism go nearly without saying when the question of "how do we change this?" is discussed. I'm fine with that, of course, but it's something where I always just sort of idly assumed the antithesis more than anything (and didn't really care anyway).
It probably helps that when anarchists in other spaces do the "tankies murder us!" routine the main things they point to (e.g. Makhnovists) are flimsy as shit upon any inspection of the parties involved.
Here's a fun one about Makhno's exile in France:
June 1926, during a meal with Alexander Berkman and May Picqueray in a Russian restaurant, Makhno met with the Ukrainian Jewish anarchist Sholem Schwarzbard, who went pale upon seeing the Ukrainian nationalist leader Symon Petliura walk into the room. Schwarzbard immediately informed the Batko of his intentions to assassinate Petliura, in revenge for the pogroms carried out in the Ukrainian People's Republic, during which some of his family members had been killed. Makhno attempted to dissuade him but the deed was carried out anyway, with Schwarzbard's subsequent trial bringing to light a trove of documentary evidence on the pogroms in Ukraine, exonerating the assassin.
idk, I just massively respect Schwarzbard for seeing his shot and taking it. Makhno is a huge coward for telling him to stand down instead of backing him up.
Can someone ELI5? In good faith I don't understand what is being advocated for or how it's sectarian. I can glean that the Black Radical Anarchist is the one with the garbage take as his citation is Marvel. It seems to me that they're both agreeing that joining the military is problematic so I don't get what they're arguing about.
Can the sectarianism, I could find 100 self identified MLs on twitter with dogshit takes.
Just saw a ML last week on twitter saying that if Russian troops were r**ing Ukrainians it would be justified because of imperialism sooo yeah
Twitter is just where bad takes go to germinate
true, there are lots of good anarchist comrades in my country, but they seem to have completely lost the plot over in burgerland, changed the title.
This is very hexbear doctrinaire of me to say, but there's a meaningful distinction to be made between anarchist activists and online "anarchists" who just parrot stupid liberal talking points while being into communes.
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Yes, you're right. The last time I heard open Nazi apologia in person it was from an anarchist (the time before that it was a libertarian, before that a literal neo-nazi, and that's it). There's a reason I said it was "doctrinaire hexbear" because, like a lot of hexbear doctrine, it's a myth that is at best useful as a heuristic (or just useful for moderation).
But think of it this way, on the internet it's most anarchists that are anarcho-bidenists and offline it's only maybe half in the first world and less than half in most other places.
Stalin was basically correct, I just take the extremely condescending attitude that if we play nice many of the anarchists will learn better, because "anarchism" is a much more accessible ideology in the first world than ML, and not by accident . Being a jerk about it doesn't do anything useful except alienate the people who think explicit ideological incoherence is a virtue, which isn't a group even worth fighting most of the time.
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Yeah, probably. I'm thinking about how there are a couple of not-really-chill-with-MLs who have held on and I'm wondering if the sectarianism rules still end up creating an environment in favor of MLs, since anarchists only have so much to point to positively compared to MLs and most of the criticisms of anarchism go nearly without saying when the question of "how do we change this?" is discussed. I'm fine with that, of course, but it's something where I always just sort of idly assumed the antithesis more than anything (and didn't really care anyway).
It probably helps that when anarchists in other spaces do the "tankies murder us!" routine the main things they point to (e.g. Makhnovists) are flimsy as shit upon any inspection of the parties involved.
Here's a fun one about Makhno's exile in France:
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idk, I just massively respect Schwarzbard for seeing his shot and taking it. Makhno is a huge coward for telling him to stand down instead of backing him up.
Appreciate it, don't like to see anarchists catching strays on account of idiots on social media.
Thanks for changing! Mind adding a CW for the nword? Gotten a few requests. Cheers!
Let a hundred dunks bloom then. Post shitty ML takes and I'll dunk on them right alongside you.
The Twitter user shouldn't get immunity from being dunked on for their incredibly shitty take just because they profess to be an anarchist.
I’m not saying this. OP edited the title, which was originally just bagging on anarchists in general.
Can someone ELI5? In good faith I don't understand what is being advocated for or how it's sectarian. I can glean that the Black Radical Anarchist is the one with the garbage take as his citation is Marvel. It seems to me that they're both agreeing that joining the military is problematic so I don't get what they're arguing about.
Old post title was "common anarchist L" or something like that
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