She said i should see someone who had experience with "extremism" and "racism"
I had to fight the urge to call her a PMC radlib
She said i should see someone who had experience with "extremism" and "racism"
I had to fight the urge to call her a PMC radlib
White people aren't a real ethnicity though
I don't get the point of your comment. Whiteness being a made up construct doesn't mean you can't talk about white people as a general entity, especially when that construct plays a huge role in society. And ethnicities are just as much social constructs as race
I don't agree with OP, I feel like they're being edgy just for the sake of being edgy, but even though race is technically bullshit that doesn't mean we get to dismiss the fact being white actually matters and means something, changes the way you're treated in society, etc.
I agree with you, I just like to joke that white people aren't real because it confuses CHUDs.
Yeah but i still hate them
Stop spreading your fascist drivel and touch grass ffs
Are you new here? Where did you come from? This is a very high level of liberalism for the vibes here.
Ironic engagement with anglo racism is like wrestling a pig in the mud.
You're gonna get covered in shit and the pig is still gonna be happy
You said white then you said Anglo. You understand they are different right?
White isn't a race, it is a social class. We add or remove people from it as we see fit. We are going to start adding Mexicans to it so we can destroy their identity and pay them to oppress other groups. Just like we did to the Japanese or the Irish.
I was referring to the superstructure of anglo culture that the vast majority of racial ideology in the west permeates out of.
You should assume leftists know basic ass shit like 'white as a social class'
You doing alot of lib posting for me to assume anything about what you know.
You aren't selling me on why I shouldn't hyperbolicly hate the system here
If you are okay with indirectly legitimizing the very racial hatred you are making an ironic parody of, keep at it.
It reminds me of the libs ironically implying their political rivals are 'gay' as a way to insult them. "Because they'd be uncomfortable with it".
They never fucking listened to me on that being wrong, either.
Calling trump gay to own him because being gay is bad. That is bad. That requires being gay to be bad. Which is not true.
Calling whiteness bad is not the same because whiteness is bad. Whiteness is a tool of capturing power and resources and it destroys other modes of thought. So by posting how whiteness a disease we are affirming those points. Clearly all posting is ultimately meaningless. However considering whiteness to be a paracitic psychic disease is at least correct. I fail to see how acknowledging it's existence empowers it. Of course it exists, we constructed it.
Whiteness is a social class. Why engage with it on racial terms? That is my hang up. It makes no sense to me.
When someone talks about genocide on whites, they are racializing a conversation. Talking about sterilization undeniably invokes racial context. To what end? It would seem to negate your point.
It’s very uncommon to say “genocide the rich” or “genocide the straights”.
Whiteness as an unjust social order can be attacked without racial irony. I would think making it racial would, in fact, defeat the point of it being a parasitic social relationship.
Please explain what that means. You realize a large part of the working class is white, right? Did they just fail to realize that they could utilize this tool and capture the resources with it?
They don't have to be. Like, look at thr Irish specifically. They weren't white. Then we changed and and now they are. However there is still a memory of having a culture and lots of white people yern for it. That is why Irish kitch is a thing. Their souls yearn to escape whiteness. However, their ancestors gave up their culture to be white to get money to be part of the proper working classes of America.
The same guy that couldn't find Ireland on a map is just as susceptible to positive and negative anti-white propaganda. That little white voice in your head telling you to defend whiteness even here on thisnwebsite is a liar.
Condescending insinuations aside, just to be clear - what you are advocating is stronger ethnic identities over racial divides? As in, "I'm not white, I'm Irish/Swedish/German/Slavic" etc. I struggle to see how that would help foster class solidarity. Europe was torn apart by wars ostensibly fought over meaningless ethno-linguistic divides for centuries. Disagree with that point all you want, but dismissing it as "defending whiteness" is condescending (not to mention - abysmal optics, should you ever care about converting libs to the cause).
Realistically it wouldn't. It could be an improvement overall to general awareness of material conditions. Like, picture if every random two trucks fucking white person or disney adult could have some other set of thoughts. Instead of product consumption they might have thoughts of community and old ways. They would have people they had kinship with. All those would be Chances to break out of the American™️ mindset. You couldn't mace a homeless person if you had Irish hospitality you know. But it would help them not identify as white so it would keep them father away from from the white vs black narrative that divides us.
But my friend all the old little wars were fought by people with thr same ethnic identity. For the most part anyway. WW1? That was family drama. Diplomats tried to stop the fighting at family reunions of the nobility. All that was only ever fake and used to rule by the nobility. The bits that weren't were a technology of survival for poor people. Which does bear cinsidering.
I have zero intention of converting liberals on this website. I am not going to conform to liberal approved posting in this our ML safespace.
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It’s ultimately my fumbling attempts to explain why I feel like making the sort of racial posting you’d see on 4chan, but in an ironic and opposite direction, is wrong on a theoretical level.
Many think I’m just claiming reverse racism, which is absolutely not the case.
Sorry that it is confusing!
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Oh no. We just have to say kill all the whites periodically to keep the liberals out. I don't actually really belive that ol' miss Studebaker down the lane should be turned into a soup like homogenized paste. However, anyone that can't joke about it is no comrade when if the time comes for it to matter.
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You are right. Making fun of white people is too much, I should have known better
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Because liberals over use the term so much it had lost all meaning. Doubble so specifically referring to the white genocide conspiracy theory
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Nah, but like, a little shitposting between friends is probably more effective than effortposting into the void. I'll go as far as to say a refusal to say the unlimited genocide to the west meme is wrecker/fed shit.
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White isn't a race. The west is defined by whiteness. Further, neither of those groups deserve any consideration least of all here. I am not going to a Starbucks and writing kill whitey on my cup
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Revisionism
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Except there aren’t any racist white people here right? At least in theory this is a leftist space where we can ironically be racist against whitoids and there’s not really any wrestling or pigs…
Counterpoint: :biggus-piggus:
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To whom? This is a splinter of a subreddit based on the dirtbag left. Obscenity is one of the few things we have going for us. Only commies and cops here and I am not going to liberalize my posting to appeal to the cops.
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This board was created just so we could use genocidal language aghast whites and other undesirable grousp.
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Yeah, John brown posting got us banned from reddit. In honor of our bravest posting soldiers we here post here today about how fucking sweet it was that he sworded some slave owners
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Momentum got the reddit sub banned. Not posting
Fascism is a stretch lol. I mean yeah anti-white racism is stupid, but there's zero systemic discrimination and minimal meaningful social racism against white people, so you can't really say it has the same weight as any other racism. And when there is anti-white racism it's usually a reaction to a racist society. But honestly I feel like OP's straight up just being edgy out of boredom
Racism is a fascist belief.
Countering a racist society with 'ironic' and insincere racism that doesn't contain real hatred is engaging with a fascist belief - even if from the opposite direction.
Without hatred, you are wrestling in the mud with fascists. They love that shit. Just kill them instead.
Thus, fascist drivel.
This is just redditor reverse racism debatelord crap derived from rationalized idealist first principles instead of a materialist and historical description of race relations on Earth, which are overwhelmingly one sided
Whatever
If engaging in race theory makes you happy just fucking do it I'm not gonna stop you
??? Is no one supposed to acknowledge race/its implications in society just because it's not a real thing genetically?
i'd sorta expect the people trying to put an end to it to not engage in shitflinging in regards to a fake ass theory, yeah
expanding that statement to cover all racial discussion in society at all is just you winning an argument against yourself
So you'll dismiss something as "engaging in race theory" in some contexts but not others? How do you decide what you get to dismiss as racial theory and what you don't? You wouldn't have any problems with a statement like "white people are at a major advantage because of their race"?
I specifically have a problem with the ironic shitflinging like 'mayocide now', 'I hate whites'.
I understand that whites are not a race. I understand it's not coming from a place of real hatred.
But that that sort of discourse is specifically meant to be an ironic version of racism, and that shit bothers me. Racism is so horrible even an ironic version of it is legitimizing the underlying ideology.
Discussion of racial issues such as they appear in a society dominated by racial ideologies is 100% kosher, and necessary to cope with an attack upon a racialized group of innocent people. In an ideal world none of that would be necessary, but this isn't an ideal world. It's a hateful, horrible one full of bigoted racists.
I wanna get where you're coming from but I don't really see it as that deep or causing any real harm.
Would you say poking at cis people reinforces transphobia, poking at straight people reinforces homophobia, poking at Evangelicals reinforces Islamophobia/anti-Semitism, etc?
It’s partly an emotional reaction. When we are joking about genociding a group or sterilizing them, I have a visceral reaction like I’m reading a fascist website. The emotional side of me just doesn’t understand why we even want to talk like that. It’s horrific.
It’s also logical in part - engaging in that sort of speech implies that such things are acceptable or things to be joked about. That sort of suffering deserves respect from leftists. Would you joke about white genocide with a holocaust survivor?
Further it implies races are things to be divided up and are real on some level.
Personally I’m gay. I don’t engage in hating straight people.
I focus my hatred on bigots. I focus my hatred on conservatives.
Ultimately, I agree the harm is not that great. I’m not reporting comments or asking for that speech to be banned. But it’s not a viewpoint I have seen expressed before and I felt the need to share it.
New Atheism certainly panned out that way.
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Say something meaningful and not pedantic idealism next time hun
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I’m saying race theory as dividing people into arbitrary groups is wrong.
Races don’t exist - the very concept was invented by extremely bigoted and racist people to justify colonial oppression of innocent people.
Playing into racial divisions, even ironically is just something the left should refrain from. It legitimizes and reinforces that ideology.
Mind you, I DO think discussion of racial disparity is necessary and good In a society full of racists. I’m just attacking racially charged antagonism e.g “genocide the whites” or “sterilize whitey”. Whites may not be a race, but that sort of talk IS racially charged and contextualized.
Even coming from a place of irony, there is no reason to go there.
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Idk still don't see them as the same thing. It's like saying anti-Italian/anti-French jokes are the same as anti-Roma/anti-Aboriginal jokes.
I wonder if we need to consider context such as historical and current levels of power and persecution instead of using blanket moral statements decreed from the heavens
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No, it is not lmao. Racism predated fascism by centuries. It is reactionary, but not fascist. Not all reactionary beliefs are fascist. Fascism is a particularly form of reaction that arose out of imperialist capitalism's attempt to crush labor while racism has largely been part of capitalism since the beginning, if not earlier.
Racism has absolutely nothing to do with hatred, but with a particular ethnic group, (in the context of this thread, people of European descent) holding hegemonic power over everyone else. With this understanding, we can see how "combating hate" doesn't actually do anything because hatred is an ephemeral emotion, not a system of dominance. The white supremacist society must be dismantled regardless whether or not the people who hold power (ie white people) hate everyone else. If anything, the hatred of this white supremacist society, expressed vulgarly as "fuck whitey," can be harnessed towards its destruction with the understanding that as the struggle progresses, "fuck whitey" gets refined into "fuck this white supremacist power structure."
Nobody here is wrestling in the mud with fascists. What the fuck does that even mean? Actual fascists just get banned.
This reeks of Yakub
There's bleach demons out there ew
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