She said i should see someone who had experience with "extremism" and "racism"
I had to fight the urge to call her a PMC radlib
She said i should see someone who had experience with "extremism" and "racism"
I had to fight the urge to call her a PMC radlib
Racism is a fascist belief.
Countering a racist society with 'ironic' and insincere racism that doesn't contain real hatred is engaging with a fascist belief - even if from the opposite direction.
Without hatred, you are wrestling in the mud with fascists. They love that shit. Just kill them instead.
Thus, fascist drivel.
This is just redditor reverse racism debatelord crap derived from rationalized idealist first principles instead of a materialist and historical description of race relations on Earth, which are overwhelmingly one sided
Whatever
If engaging in race theory makes you happy just fucking do it I'm not gonna stop you
??? Is no one supposed to acknowledge race/its implications in society just because it's not a real thing genetically?
i'd sorta expect the people trying to put an end to it to not engage in shitflinging in regards to a fake ass theory, yeah
expanding that statement to cover all racial discussion in society at all is just you winning an argument against yourself
So you'll dismiss something as "engaging in race theory" in some contexts but not others? How do you decide what you get to dismiss as racial theory and what you don't? You wouldn't have any problems with a statement like "white people are at a major advantage because of their race"?
I specifically have a problem with the ironic shitflinging like 'mayocide now', 'I hate whites'.
I understand that whites are not a race. I understand it's not coming from a place of real hatred.
But that that sort of discourse is specifically meant to be an ironic version of racism, and that shit bothers me. Racism is so horrible even an ironic version of it is legitimizing the underlying ideology.
Discussion of racial issues such as they appear in a society dominated by racial ideologies is 100% kosher, and necessary to cope with an attack upon a racialized group of innocent people. In an ideal world none of that would be necessary, but this isn't an ideal world. It's a hateful, horrible one full of bigoted racists.
I wanna get where you're coming from but I don't really see it as that deep or causing any real harm.
Would you say poking at cis people reinforces transphobia, poking at straight people reinforces homophobia, poking at Evangelicals reinforces Islamophobia/anti-Semitism, etc?
It’s partly an emotional reaction. When we are joking about genociding a group or sterilizing them, I have a visceral reaction like I’m reading a fascist website. The emotional side of me just doesn’t understand why we even want to talk like that. It’s horrific.
It’s also logical in part - engaging in that sort of speech implies that such things are acceptable or things to be joked about. That sort of suffering deserves respect from leftists. Would you joke about white genocide with a holocaust survivor?
Further it implies races are things to be divided up and are real on some level.
Personally I’m gay. I don’t engage in hating straight people.
I focus my hatred on bigots. I focus my hatred on conservatives.
Ultimately, I agree the harm is not that great. I’m not reporting comments or asking for that speech to be banned. But it’s not a viewpoint I have seen expressed before and I felt the need to share it.
New Atheism certainly panned out that way.
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Say something meaningful and not pedantic idealism next time hun
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I’m saying race theory as dividing people into arbitrary groups is wrong.
Races don’t exist - the very concept was invented by extremely bigoted and racist people to justify colonial oppression of innocent people.
Playing into racial divisions, even ironically is just something the left should refrain from. It legitimizes and reinforces that ideology.
Mind you, I DO think discussion of racial disparity is necessary and good In a society full of racists. I’m just attacking racially charged antagonism e.g “genocide the whites” or “sterilize whitey”. Whites may not be a race, but that sort of talk IS racially charged and contextualized.
Even coming from a place of irony, there is no reason to go there.
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Idk still don't see them as the same thing. It's like saying anti-Italian/anti-French jokes are the same as anti-Roma/anti-Aboriginal jokes.
I wonder if we need to consider context such as historical and current levels of power and persecution instead of using blanket moral statements decreed from the heavens
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No, it is not lmao. Racism predated fascism by centuries. It is reactionary, but not fascist. Not all reactionary beliefs are fascist. Fascism is a particularly form of reaction that arose out of imperialist capitalism's attempt to crush labor while racism has largely been part of capitalism since the beginning, if not earlier.
Racism has absolutely nothing to do with hatred, but with a particular ethnic group, (in the context of this thread, people of European descent) holding hegemonic power over everyone else. With this understanding, we can see how "combating hate" doesn't actually do anything because hatred is an ephemeral emotion, not a system of dominance. The white supremacist society must be dismantled regardless whether or not the people who hold power (ie white people) hate everyone else. If anything, the hatred of this white supremacist society, expressed vulgarly as "fuck whitey," can be harnessed towards its destruction with the understanding that as the struggle progresses, "fuck whitey" gets refined into "fuck this white supremacist power structure."
Nobody here is wrestling in the mud with fascists. What the fuck does that even mean? Actual fascists just get banned.