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Like damn the dude and most of his family were killed in a mass shooting, did you really need to orientalize him on the way out?

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Might be a diaspora Asian thing. A lot of boba-liberals are really invested in depicting Asian men as being particularly patriarchal for whatever reason. If you are unfortunate enough to come into contact with incel and sexpat spaces, it is an extremely common trope for them to want to "save" Asian women from "the patriarchy" (I.e. Asian men).

      I'm not denying that there are patriarchal aspects in many Asian cultures, but there's a concerted effort in the West to make Asian men sound like we're stuck in the Qing dynasty.

      • boardbyboard [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        f you are unfortunate enough to come into contact with incel and sexpat spaces, it is an extremely common trope for them to want to “save” Asian women from “the patriarchy” (I.e. Asian men).

        everyday i learn something new and everyday i thank the gods that most ppl do not use the internet in the way i do :agony-shivering:

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          "I'm visiting <Asian country>, maybe I should check out the <country> subreddit for information on where to go and what to ea... oh. Oh no. Oh no no no no no no."

      • Gelamzer
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        11 months ago

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        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I think one key commonality that most of the examples you linked to is that the person in question is a powerful/wealthy male. While I get where you're coming from, I still think it's deeply sus to use that word in this context.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              "I'm sorry black person, I just assumed that you haven't consumed much media in which 'monkey' is a fun or positive word. 'Fun like a barrel of monkeys', the Monkees, 'monkeying around' and Curious George are all examples of positive use of the term.

              Therefore, when the writer of the article said 'George Floyd is a monkey he actually meant..."

                • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  If my response seems hostile to you, have you asked yourself why an Asian person might respond in a way that seems hostile to "well you and all the other Asians just don't understand words"? Might this be shit that's pulled out regularly by westoids to dismiss and minimize the concerns of Asian people living in the West, regardless of their level of English comprehension.

                  I shouldn't need to explain to you that words can be contextually offensive when applied to certain groups of people. If someone published an article calling a grown black man "boy", it proves nothing to show me articles where young men of other races have been called "boy".

                    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                      2 years ago

                      I am not making any statements that “minimize the concerns of Asian people living in the West, regardless of their level of English comprehension” or making any statements about “their level of English comprehension” just bc you and people on twitter don’t do crosswords and read a lot of literature / the new yorker does not mean that that

                      Wow.

                      Who do I talk to about making this one of the site headings? Because...

                      Wow.

                        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                          2 years ago

                          If you go back and read my responses to you, I began with an explanation of my position. Then the next post said "I see where you're coming from but I think it's deeply sus in this context". In both cases you just doubled down on your position that I just don't understand the word because I don't do crosswords or whatever.

                          Edit: The disengage part of above user's reply was not there when I started writing this comment. Mods, please feel free to remove this if you think it's appropriate.

                • forcequit [she/her]
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                  2 years ago

                  It literally denotes the head/authority of the group/family, idgi

                  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    Well yeah, so do you think the tweet author talked to the victim's friends and family and they all agreed that he was the head of the family and authority figure, or do you think that the writer just assumed that he's the head of the family because he's a dude and Asian?

                    Like what if he was really progressive and listened to his wife on everything and only did things by consensus? What if his household was actually like many "traditional" East Asian households and his wife controlled all the finances and had final say on all family matters?

                    Just a weird as fuck assumption to make about a shooting victim.

                  • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    it means male head of the family. A woman in the same position would be a matriarch and English doesn't have a gender neutral word for head of the family.

      • AbbysMuscles [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        If you are unfortunate enough to come into contact with incel and sexpat spaces, it is an extremely common trope for them to want to “save” Asian women from “the patriarchy” (I.e. Asian men)

        :visible-disgust: Every day I come in to contact with new and horrible ideas.

    • Abraxiel
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      2 years ago

      I think they're referring to him being noted as a taekwondo master. Which, I dunno, seems like a notable thing to mention in humanizing a victim to me.

        • wwiehtnioj [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          I don't know if it is orientalist but at the very least it is normalizing patriarchy so I agree the word father should be used instead.

        • NoYouLogOff [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Patriarch is a really weird term because you're either talking specifically about patriarchy, or you are talking about organizations like the mob. China had it's feudal clans. Calling a guy who was just a father "The clan head" would be really fucking weird and is ascribing feudal structures to a normal Asian family. Calling a normal Italian man who died a patriarch would be weird for the same reason.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      and please just read it before you make any conclusions the title in the tweet isnt even the real title of the article, it is just the title of the tweet the article itself is nothing, but sympathetic and I can not find anything pushing any harmful steriotypes in it

      I don't think the author was malicious. This wasn't the NYPost.

      But the fixation on the father, with the mother and children included almost as an afterthought, combined with the immediate focus on being a Tae Kwon Do instructor first and foremost, rather than a lawyer or a father, is just... it reads like it was written by an extremely white liberal who just grinds out special interest pieces for other white liberals.

      It's got fucked vibes. The language, the focus, the "thoughts and prayers" energy of the whole thing... they even have a line about the family's GoFundMe campaign ffs. Absolutely toxic. I hate that I have to live in a country that considers this sterile archetypical low-key orientalist eulogy the best kind of journalism a major media center can turn out.

      And God-for-fucking-bid it include any kind of Call to Action. Its an awful way to mourn an awful event that happens an awful lot.