It's absolutely ridiculous and just goes to show this person knows nothing about resources and logistics.
They think this is won with a difference in a few battles.
The idea that bombing raf facilities instead of terror bombing would change much is also ridiculous. All it would do is simply weaken the raf. That by itself does nothing to stop the allies from mounting their counter attack from the UK. It ends up achieving very little. Simply bombing the UK is not enough and there is zero chance of any german attack on the UK succeeding, Churchill turned the island into a fucking fortress that would have obliterated any invading force. He absolutely did not fuck around with defence plans and was determined not to surrender.
So what do either of these things achieve? Nothing at best. Or a huge increase in allied resources because they're not committing to a fight in africa or worried about supplies either. It potentially greatly strengthens the allies while achieving little to nothing.
The only thing here that has merit is changing how the USSR is assaulted but it's a bad suggestion because these things occurred as they did out of necessity. They could not go faster.
In reality they should have assault the USSR 2 years earlier.
I once had someone, while showing us their HOI4 game as fascist austria-hungary, say that Germany would've won if only they had captured Odessa and Sevastopol ..like my brother in christ they FUCKING DID. They massacred Odessa and Sevastopol, they did pogroms like crazy, atrocities abound. In fact the nazis being delayed a short while by the brave defenders of Sevastopol helped delay Stalingrad and leave the 6th army without help, eventually causing the victory there. The Nazis poured fucking troops in there and got their objective, but the Soviets made them and the Romanians fight for every inch, by the end the city was fucking leveled, the port wrecked, and every single soviet battery and bunker had to be destroyed one by one. Similar case with Odessa but with a more successful Soviet evacuation.
The nazis did this idiot's plan and even succeeded, but guess what made that not actually enough to win? Almost like failure has a lot to do with your enemy winning and not just yourself losing. They strip war down to the coldest numbers, but even then disregard the statistical realities hampering the nazis. Their "logic" is vibes based, not even a "logic-bro" BS argument, but a mascaraed of one by a fool.
Sevastopol and Odessa are Hero Cities for a reason. Fort Stalin was not even a fort, but a position the Nazis called one because the Red Army there was humiliating them. Just that position alone is filled with stories of heroic actions and rescues that could fill a hundred war movies, but for the westerner, nope it never happened. The officer there Pyanzin, when he realized the guns had finally been taken out dragged himself to a radio
When the enemy broke into the battery, its commander reported to the command post of the division: “The enemy tanks are shooting at us point-blank, the infantry is throwing grenades at us. Farewell, comrades! For the Motherland, forward to victory! From the command post of the division they saw that a fierce hand-to-hand fight was going on in the battery. The last radiogram from the battery consisted of only a few words: “There is nothing to fight back. The entire staff was out of action. Open fire on our position, on our command post." At 15 o'clock. 18 min. the battery radio has stopped working. Artillerymen opened fire on the former position of the 365th battery, which was captured by the enemy
Again, THAT shit is what beat the nazis, not them forgetting to take Sevastopol
:maybe-later-honey: Uhhhhh actually the Russians only won by throwing endless human waves at the Nazis and their soldiers only fought because they were afraid of getting executed by evil Stalin. It's like you don't know anything about World War 2.
Exactly. At the end of the day the nazis were going as fast as they could. The speed they could go was determined not by themselves but by the practicality of the enemy forcing them to fight for every inch.
How are you going to go any faster? Ultimately the only way to do so is to have not launched the offensive when it was. If you're launching the offensive at the time the nazis did and under those conditions and resources you are simply not winning it. It was too late.
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Ignore Africa lmao. Yeah sure right. Ignore the source of the allies resources.
Honestly just give the allies free access to the Mediterranean, what's the worst that could happen
It's absolutely ridiculous and just goes to show this person knows nothing about resources and logistics.
They think this is won with a difference in a few battles.
The idea that bombing raf facilities instead of terror bombing would change much is also ridiculous. All it would do is simply weaken the raf. That by itself does nothing to stop the allies from mounting their counter attack from the UK. It ends up achieving very little. Simply bombing the UK is not enough and there is zero chance of any german attack on the UK succeeding, Churchill turned the island into a fucking fortress that would have obliterated any invading force. He absolutely did not fuck around with defence plans and was determined not to surrender.
So what do either of these things achieve? Nothing at best. Or a huge increase in allied resources because they're not committing to a fight in africa or worried about supplies either. It potentially greatly strengthens the allies while achieving little to nothing.
The only thing here that has merit is changing how the USSR is assaulted but it's a bad suggestion because these things occurred as they did out of necessity. They could not go faster.
In reality they should have assault the USSR 2 years earlier.
I once had someone, while showing us their HOI4 game as fascist austria-hungary, say that Germany would've won if only they had captured Odessa and Sevastopol ..like my brother in christ they FUCKING DID. They massacred Odessa and Sevastopol, they did pogroms like crazy, atrocities abound. In fact the nazis being delayed a short while by the brave defenders of Sevastopol helped delay Stalingrad and leave the 6th army without help, eventually causing the victory there. The Nazis poured fucking troops in there and got their objective, but the Soviets made them and the Romanians fight for every inch, by the end the city was fucking leveled, the port wrecked, and every single soviet battery and bunker had to be destroyed one by one. Similar case with Odessa but with a more successful Soviet evacuation.
The nazis did this idiot's plan and even succeeded, but guess what made that not actually enough to win? Almost like failure has a lot to do with your enemy winning and not just yourself losing. They strip war down to the coldest numbers, but even then disregard the statistical realities hampering the nazis. Their "logic" is vibes based, not even a "logic-bro" BS argument, but a mascaraed of one by a fool.
Sevastopol and Odessa are Hero Cities for a reason. Fort Stalin was not even a fort, but a position the Nazis called one because the Red Army there was humiliating them. Just that position alone is filled with stories of heroic actions and rescues that could fill a hundred war movies, but for the westerner, nope it never happened. The officer there Pyanzin, when he realized the guns had finally been taken out dragged himself to a radio
Again, THAT shit is what beat the nazis, not them forgetting to take Sevastopol
:maybe-later-honey: Uhhhhh actually the Russians only won by throwing endless human waves at the Nazis and their soldiers only fought because they were afraid of getting executed by evil Stalin. It's like you don't know anything about World War 2.
Exactly. At the end of the day the nazis were going as fast as they could. The speed they could go was determined not by themselves but by the practicality of the enemy forcing them to fight for every inch.
How are you going to go any faster? Ultimately the only way to do so is to have not launched the offensive when it was. If you're launching the offensive at the time the nazis did and under those conditions and resources you are simply not winning it. It was too late.
Yeah like how were they supposed to go faster, even more meth?
player. forceav speed 5000
:think-about-it: simple really