I mean, mosquitos and chimpanzees exist. A creature that combines the charactistics of both is an effective horror creature. It had less sexual violence than it's contemporary Sword art. At no point was the violence ever treated as bad or with consequences in sao. In contrast GS had multiple plot arcs about ptsd. There is something interesting and good there. It is way better than any mainstream anime has any right to be. Yeah it isn't perfect, but it represented a possible future where anime got better instead of worse. It just cooks my noodle that people got mad at the anime that swung and missed more than the animes that never tried.
There is a difference vetween accepting the nazi argument and the fantasy argument. We're Hitler correct about inferior people the correct solution would be to help them not exterminator them.
I know dialog is cheap. There are multiple scenes where characters talk about wanting to find a better way but the people with money don't care to try. The Bourgeois are explicitly called out for making it all worse.
Which is exactly how the real world deals with sexual violence and mosquitos. If goblins like in the story were real but just killed a few poor people every now and again we would handle them exactly how the nobility in the show does. Just occasionally sending exterminators when profits go down.
That is lazy on my part. However mosquitos are intelligent creatures and deserve life as much as any other. They just happen to be obligate paracites. Which is uncomfortable.
Goblins are shown to be roughly chimpanzee smart, with similar temperament. The sexual paracitism was created by a dark God that hated people if I recall the lore correctly. Yes it is all fake and artificial. However if we aren't going to let the writer write what is the point of even having the conversation? Given the McGuffin constraints the show does interesting things with them. There is a bunch of dumb edgelord shit but under that is stuff more interesting than most random anime have. It is like French new wave cinema except the bar is lower.
It is not exactly like killing a human. You should still try to find other ways. Similar goblins are not exactly like humans. Which is a point you are missing here. You can't have it both ways. If they are exactly like humans raiding villages and taking slaves would probably warrant war. Especially if you are a poor farm village. What could they do? Do they jail them? That is alot of mouths to feed in a hard winter. The nobility is not going to help them now. They definitely aren't going to pay for goblin rehabilitation. These aren't modern people. They don't have modern resources.
The premise of the story is what do you do when you only have bad choices. It is grimdark. If we don't belive grimdark has artistic merrit that is fine. If we grant that it can however, the artistic statements made by this show are more interesting than those made many shows we would consider unremarkable.
It isn't necessary for survival. The hero is the only one doing it. The rich are perfectly happy to let the occasional peasant village burn. If goblins are anyone they are white people raiding poor villages, doing sexual violence, and leaving without consequence. That is how we treat the indigenous in reservations to this day. That is the wild west. In which case killing the settlers would have been perfectly valid would it not?
Yeah, the gimmick though is we actually did it. All the things we said we were afraid of them doing we did. We are not liberals. I am not hugely interest I what people say. I am interested in what people so. And we were an encroaching wave of paracites. Had there been a few more cracker slayers among the indigenous people history would likey have turned out better.
So you are telling me the plot is wrong, goblins are fully sentient reasonable creatures? Fine, what is the solution then? I know youbliek to write, so what is the answer to the riddle here?
Which is not engaging with the work at all. It is really mid at best, so simply ignoring it is fine I suppose.
That leaves us with my point that I feel like it covers themes found in regular anime in more interesting and nuanced ways than most regular anime. Which you are free to not care about.
In GS the setting is grimdark but the plot is actually very wholesome. It is sus that killing animals is part of the setting and not the plot true. However, animals exist. You talk about fascist comparing people to vermin, which implies the existence of vermin. I do not feel you have justified ignoring the plots assertion that goblins are vermin. You don't have to, we don't have to have this conversation. If we are going to have to have the co versatile you do need to take the work on it's on merrits at least a little.
With ayn rand the setting is grimdark and the plot is terrible. The points the plot makes are disproveable in the plot itself just all a mess. If rand created magic worlds where you had to be nechian super men the plot would still fall apart because her solutions about what to do with that are terrible. If she created an airtight work of beautiful fascist fiction, as has be done from time to time, I would just not engage with it.
Then we can agree that the show centers female agency in ways unusual for modern art and that is laudable? That really is the only point t I care about here.
I would also say that fantasy genocide is a common enough part of even mainstream liberal art that in this moment it isn't really remarkable, but we have some disagreement there.
I don't really care about the goblins, neither does the author, and neither do you. You care because you feel the goblins are secretly not goblins, but regular people. Which is a claim neither of us are really deeply invested in considering. However it is interesting to consider I think.
I don’t really care about the goblins, neither does the author, and neither do you. You care because you feel the goblins are secretly not goblins, but regular people. Which is a claim neither of us are really deeply invested in considering. However it is interesting to consider I think.
Just reading along, this seems accurate? Would it be easier if the goblins weren't so humanoid? What if they were mosquitoes?
That would just be aliens. Except anime hicks has anime ptsd and anime signorny weaver tries to help him to restore her faith in anime God. So a less good anime version of it. Which is still why better than most anime
I had never heard of the termination argument. That is all of of nerd culture. If we can't talk about defending the jedi because the force wills it than there is no point to even having the conversation. We have to at least accept it to engage in the game.
I mean, mosquitos and chimpanzees exist. A creature that combines the charactistics of both is an effective horror creature. It had less sexual violence than it's contemporary Sword art. At no point was the violence ever treated as bad or with consequences in sao. In contrast GS had multiple plot arcs about ptsd. There is something interesting and good there. It is way better than any mainstream anime has any right to be. Yeah it isn't perfect, but it represented a possible future where anime got better instead of worse. It just cooks my noodle that people got mad at the anime that swung and missed more than the animes that never tried.
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Yes, mainstream anime is garbage.
There is a difference vetween accepting the nazi argument and the fantasy argument. We're Hitler correct about inferior people the correct solution would be to help them not exterminator them.
I know dialog is cheap. There are multiple scenes where characters talk about wanting to find a better way but the people with money don't care to try. The Bourgeois are explicitly called out for making it all worse.
Which is exactly how the real world deals with sexual violence and mosquitos. If goblins like in the story were real but just killed a few poor people every now and again we would handle them exactly how the nobility in the show does. Just occasionally sending exterminators when profits go down.
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That is lazy on my part. However mosquitos are intelligent creatures and deserve life as much as any other. They just happen to be obligate paracites. Which is uncomfortable.
Goblins are shown to be roughly chimpanzee smart, with similar temperament. The sexual paracitism was created by a dark God that hated people if I recall the lore correctly. Yes it is all fake and artificial. However if we aren't going to let the writer write what is the point of even having the conversation? Given the McGuffin constraints the show does interesting things with them. There is a bunch of dumb edgelord shit but under that is stuff more interesting than most random anime have. It is like French new wave cinema except the bar is lower.
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It is not exactly like killing a human. You should still try to find other ways. Similar goblins are not exactly like humans. Which is a point you are missing here. You can't have it both ways. If they are exactly like humans raiding villages and taking slaves would probably warrant war. Especially if you are a poor farm village. What could they do? Do they jail them? That is alot of mouths to feed in a hard winter. The nobility is not going to help them now. They definitely aren't going to pay for goblin rehabilitation. These aren't modern people. They don't have modern resources.
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The premise of the story is what do you do when you only have bad choices. It is grimdark. If we don't belive grimdark has artistic merrit that is fine. If we grant that it can however, the artistic statements made by this show are more interesting than those made many shows we would consider unremarkable.
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It isn't necessary for survival. The hero is the only one doing it. The rich are perfectly happy to let the occasional peasant village burn. If goblins are anyone they are white people raiding poor villages, doing sexual violence, and leaving without consequence. That is how we treat the indigenous in reservations to this day. That is the wild west. In which case killing the settlers would have been perfectly valid would it not?
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Yeah, the gimmick though is we actually did it. All the things we said we were afraid of them doing we did. We are not liberals. I am not hugely interest I what people say. I am interested in what people so. And we were an encroaching wave of paracites. Had there been a few more cracker slayers among the indigenous people history would likey have turned out better.
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So you are telling me the plot is wrong, goblins are fully sentient reasonable creatures? Fine, what is the solution then? I know youbliek to write, so what is the answer to the riddle here?
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So you are saying, then, the only way to engage with the work is to ignore it completely?
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Which is not engaging with the work at all. It is really mid at best, so simply ignoring it is fine I suppose.
That leaves us with my point that I feel like it covers themes found in regular anime in more interesting and nuanced ways than most regular anime. Which you are free to not care about.
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In GS the setting is grimdark but the plot is actually very wholesome. It is sus that killing animals is part of the setting and not the plot true. However, animals exist. You talk about fascist comparing people to vermin, which implies the existence of vermin. I do not feel you have justified ignoring the plots assertion that goblins are vermin. You don't have to, we don't have to have this conversation. If we are going to have to have the co versatile you do need to take the work on it's on merrits at least a little.
With ayn rand the setting is grimdark and the plot is terrible. The points the plot makes are disproveable in the plot itself just all a mess. If rand created magic worlds where you had to be nechian super men the plot would still fall apart because her solutions about what to do with that are terrible. If she created an airtight work of beautiful fascist fiction, as has be done from time to time, I would just not engage with it.
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Then we can agree that the show centers female agency in ways unusual for modern art and that is laudable? That really is the only point t I care about here.
I would also say that fantasy genocide is a common enough part of even mainstream liberal art that in this moment it isn't really remarkable, but we have some disagreement there.
I don't really care about the goblins, neither does the author, and neither do you. You care because you feel the goblins are secretly not goblins, but regular people. Which is a claim neither of us are really deeply invested in considering. However it is interesting to consider I think.
Do I have what we are saying accurate here?
Just reading along, this seems accurate? Would it be easier if the goblins weren't so humanoid? What if they were mosquitoes?
That would just be aliens. Except anime hicks has anime ptsd and anime signorny weaver tries to help him to restore her faith in anime God. So a less good anime version of it. Which is still why better than most anime
I had never heard of the termination argument. That is all of of nerd culture. If we can't talk about defending the jedi because the force wills it than there is no point to even having the conversation. We have to at least accept it to engage in the game.