The constant harassment and abuse from speciesist reactionaries is what drove us off. But mentioning that part would ruin the narrative that vegans are the bad guys
Reminder: https://archive.ph/Xl1Kd
The constant harassment and abuse from speciesist reactionaries is what drove us off. But mentioning that part would ruin the narrative that vegans are the bad guys
Reminder: https://archive.ph/Xl1Kd
The stats summary described in that quote is about proportion of people with a negative view, not the vehemence. In other words, there's no false equation.
Tell me what systemic bigotry are vegans facing?
Are people losing their jobs for their veganism? Are vegan couples being assaulted on trains? Are there campaigns to have books on veganism burnt to "protect children"? There any politicians and pressure groups trying to campaign parliament to force every vegan to eat animal products?
No? Then all this gesturing at stats is meaningless. Fact of the matter is out there in the real world it's looking rough for queer people and no amount of gesturing to polls about people finding vegans annoying will make your perceived oppression any worse than this.
More hated my arse.
Can you ask some questions that are about what I said, rather than the person in your head that you're dunking on?
Can you explain to me how respondents in one survey about views on various groups having vegans be viewed most negatively makes them somehow more hated than people actively being targeted for eradication by institutional power?
Did I say vegans were "more hated"? See my previous comment and please act like a comrade.
You didn't directly but comment you're defending did.
I will apologise for any offence I've caused though. I'm not in a particularly good mood right now and I feel I've lashed out a little in my writing, so, sorry about that.
It's okay and I don't even need an apology. It's 100% reasonable to be frustrated by comparisons between a less-persecuted identity that is a political position vs. a more-persecuted identity core to someone's existence. And we are all dealing with shit we shouldn't hsvr to. Just wanted us to talk as who we are, ha.
I think it's a good point to say that "more negatively" is misleading in that quote due to it being essentially unquantifiable. And that this could be misused to say that vegans face more personal violence than groups for whom fewer people state a negative opinion/experience (but with, e.g., LGBTQ people facing, for example, terrorism far more often).
Really, it should be possible to find unity in shared experience and empathy, but I think a site culture that forces defensive posturing is getting in the way.
Couldn't agree more, comrade.
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