I oscillate rapidly between thinking the Green Party is cool as hell or just a weird money sink. Their anti-nuclear stance is very frustrating, and it's one of the strongest planks of their platform. It won't budge. They also can't figure out what to do with themselves, if they're out here to win races, or they're an environmentalist campaign, or if they're just pushing the Democrats, or what. They're also not nearly coherent enough on economic issues, which makes sense because they're a bizarre mishmash of liberals, slightly left liberals, and some more coherent socialist types. Some Green Party members I've met are very well-read Marxists, and yet some others were clearly liberals. I don't think it works, but they're bigger than any organization I've ever been involved with, so more power to them I guess.
Howie Hawkins seems like a cool guy though, he was probably one of the least weird candidates they could have run. Dr. West writes cool books and he's surprisingly hip on queer stuff, so good for him. Otherwise he's some millionaire Ivy League professor, and some people here have expressed doubts about him. Did he do something recently? I hope not.
If Green Party actually wanted to achieve anything, they'd be funneling money into trying to pull AOC-style upsets in deep blue bastions like Portland. These longshot presidential elections exist only to pull votes from Dems in the general, and the only donor money they get is from Republicans to make sure they do it.
Socialists at the time were actually organizing for electoral success beyond just Debs - the guy who convinced him to become a socialist, Victor Berger, was elected to the House of Representatives and used to do shit like introduce measures to abolish the Senate, and Berger's whole crew ran Milwaukee (we call them sewer socialists today). They were actually trying to do shit, and the fact that they got so far despite the political persecution is why we still talk about it.
If your only goal is to soak votes from the Democrats, I mean, okay I guess. Doesn't seem like there's much of a point to it to me, though. And there's certainly no point investing time and energy into it if your goal is to make actual material improvements in people's lives.
I oscillate rapidly between thinking the Green Party is cool as hell or just a weird money sink. Their anti-nuclear stance is very frustrating, and it's one of the strongest planks of their platform. It won't budge. They also can't figure out what to do with themselves, if they're out here to win races, or they're an environmentalist campaign, or if they're just pushing the Democrats, or what. They're also not nearly coherent enough on economic issues, which makes sense because they're a bizarre mishmash of liberals, slightly left liberals, and some more coherent socialist types. Some Green Party members I've met are very well-read Marxists, and yet some others were clearly liberals. I don't think it works, but they're bigger than any organization I've ever been involved with, so more power to them I guess.
Howie Hawkins seems like a cool guy though, he was probably one of the least weird candidates they could have run. Dr. West writes cool books and he's surprisingly hip on queer stuff, so good for him. Otherwise he's some millionaire Ivy League professor, and some people here have expressed doubts about him. Did he do something recently? I hope not.
If Green Party actually wanted to achieve anything, they'd be funneling money into trying to pull AOC-style upsets in deep blue bastions like Portland. These longshot presidential elections exist only to pull votes from Dems in the general, and the only donor money they get is from Republicans to make sure they do it.
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Socialists at the time were actually organizing for electoral success beyond just Debs - the guy who convinced him to become a socialist, Victor Berger, was elected to the House of Representatives and used to do shit like introduce measures to abolish the Senate, and Berger's whole crew ran Milwaukee (we call them sewer socialists today). They were actually trying to do shit, and the fact that they got so far despite the political persecution is why we still talk about it.
If your only goal is to soak votes from the Democrats, I mean, okay I guess. Doesn't seem like there's much of a point to it to me, though. And there's certainly no point investing time and energy into it if your goal is to make actual material improvements in people's lives.
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