That is kinda the point of cautionary tales. They're supposed to say "Hey guys, we're kinda on a shitty path here and if we don't steer away things could get real bad."
And yeah "things are already bad" but come on, have some nuance. We're not at the level where facial recognition pauses ads while you're looking away yet. That's the entire point, it's supposed to illustrate bad things before they happen.
I wouldn’t say black mirror makes much of an imaginative leap into the future. It’s like “hey what if things went as bad as possible for like 18 months”. It’s hardly Asimov predicting robots or whatever the fuck
Without media like Black Mirror the average non-politicized person would not bat an eye at the kinds of extreme greed tech companies would push on us. I'm not personally a fan of the show but it's still valuable.
Perhaps in a wider scale yes, capitalist society produces culture that reinforces its own ideology. But there's disagreement among the capitalists, some of them want to exploit more thoroughly to get as much money as they can right now with no regards to long term sustainability, others see the writing on the wall and care enough for their own legacy that they are willing to make temporary compromises in the interest of longevity. In that latter class of liberalism there's space for genuine criticism of the former. It isn't truly subversive as you said, it's infighting, but they are still capable of sabotaging each other. That's why the state exists after all, to stop capitalists from tearing society apart for 5.1% growth in revenue in the third quarter.
E: Also, put some respect on Parasite, and read rule 2. Wouldn't want to need to ask you to post some hog.
yeah, i guess? i'm not sure what this is in response to
Edit: cautionary tales don't need to take leaps into the future, they can be about contemporary things or even stuff that happened in the past. The story about a girl playing with matches and burning her house down is a cautionary tale, the point is that you tell it to your child before it burns your own house down.
In one episode two people are on a star ship and the clue is that "hippies" (as standin for unwashed young leftists) kill the family of one and he uses a robot on Earth to kill the family of the other astronaut for reasons of toxic masculinity and the world is set 30-60 years in the past and jealousy plays a whole role. Even decent acting doesn't save you from bad scripts.
I'm not interested in this show, but I think by adding a scifi sheen and spooky music to the reality we live in, you can get showbrained people to be like "omg this is like my stories on the telly." It probably doesn't translate to much, but maybe it reframes someone's situation for them?
I dunno. I feel when “satire” is that on the nose, either cynical people are like “yeh duh”, or it goes over the heads of oblivious people. So what purpose did it serve? Getting some views for netflix? How subversive.
We’re not at the level where facial recognition pauses ads while you’re looking away yet
A union comrade I know does actually not get paid when they look away from ads. They earn money by watching and rating them. Once again the cautionary tale could just look into the regular life of marginalized workers of a specific kind and have more horrific tales.
Lol they made more of that shit?
I always thought it was weird to watch a show that was like “imagine if we lived in a corporate techbro nightmare” when we already live in that world.
That is kinda the point of cautionary tales. They're supposed to say "Hey guys, we're kinda on a shitty path here and if we don't steer away things could get real bad."
And yeah "things are already bad" but come on, have some nuance. We're not at the level where facial recognition pauses ads while you're looking away yet. That's the entire point, it's supposed to illustrate bad things before they happen.
I wouldn’t say black mirror makes much of an imaginative leap into the future. It’s like “hey what if things went as bad as possible for like 18 months”. It’s hardly Asimov predicting robots or whatever the fuck
Without media like Black Mirror the average non-politicized person would not bat an eye at the kinds of extreme greed tech companies would push on us. I'm not personally a fan of the show but it's still valuable.
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Perhaps in a wider scale yes, capitalist society produces culture that reinforces its own ideology. But there's disagreement among the capitalists, some of them want to exploit more thoroughly to get as much money as they can right now with no regards to long term sustainability, others see the writing on the wall and care enough for their own legacy that they are willing to make temporary compromises in the interest of longevity. In that latter class of liberalism there's space for genuine criticism of the former. It isn't truly subversive as you said, it's infighting, but they are still capable of sabotaging each other. That's why the state exists after all, to stop capitalists from tearing society apart for 5.1% growth in revenue in the third quarter.
E: Also, put some respect on Parasite, and read rule 2. Wouldn't want to need to ask you to post some hog.
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i hate to inform you that a lot of people who watch Black Mirror aren't really batting an eye about this tech overreach.
yeah, i guess? i'm not sure what this is in response to
Edit: cautionary tales don't need to take leaps into the future, they can be about contemporary things or even stuff that happened in the past. The story about a girl playing with matches and burning her house down is a cautionary tale, the point is that you tell it to your child before it burns your own house down.
In one episode two people are on a star ship and the clue is that "hippies" (as standin for unwashed young leftists) kill the family of one and he uses a robot on Earth to kill the family of the other astronaut for reasons of toxic masculinity and the world is set 30-60 years in the past and jealousy plays a whole role. Even decent acting doesn't save you from bad scripts.
I'm not interested in this show, but I think by adding a scifi sheen and spooky music to the reality we live in, you can get showbrained people to be like "omg this is like my stories on the telly." It probably doesn't translate to much, but maybe it reframes someone's situation for them?
I dunno. I feel when “satire” is that on the nose, either cynical people are like “yeh duh”, or it goes over the heads of oblivious people. So what purpose did it serve? Getting some views for netflix? How subversive.
A union comrade I know does actually not get paid when they look away from ads. They earn money by watching and rating them. Once again the cautionary tale could just look into the regular life of marginalized workers of a specific kind and have more horrific tales.
my biggest grip with it is that it looks at all the claims coming out of Silicon Valley and says, "Oooh, but what if it's bad?"
as opposed to the much more transgressive, "What if it's full of shit?"
How would you enjoy things if you keep being reductive about everything?
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